. >> and joining me now, nbc's julia ainsley who was following the argumentings, harry litman, former deputy assistant attorney general during the clinton administration. melissa lurie, and former u.s. attorney joyce vance. julia, take us through what you've heard in the last two hours from the justices in this important argument? >> it's interesting, andrea, i spent the morning outside the supreme court where protesters are talking about heartbeats and viability. none of those words are being mentioned inside the supreme court today. what they're talking about is whether or not this law can stand by the very nature of how it's been written. as you know, this allows private citizens in the state of texas to sue anyone who may have a connection to a woman's abortion. and so it takes the enforcement away from the state and puts it on the court. now, it's very interesting to hear from brett kavanaugh today. as we know he's been a conservative justice, appointed by president trump, someone who we can expect to overturn roe v. wade. he started questioning the solicitor general from texas a

let discuss with ron brownstein and harry litman a former deputy assistant attorney general. re both here. another day, another round of subpoenas that. let me start with you, harry. right wing extremists like the oath keepers and proud boys played a big role in the january 6th attack at the capitol so what can these subpoenas that tell us? we're trying to find a link between the white house and violence we saw that day. any correlation to the infamous phrase of stand back and stand by? what do you think? >> yeah, well, so i think you hit the nail on the head, laura. it's the second in two days and yesterday both of them for the first time were people who really were involved in the planning, the organization, the coordination as opposed to actually being there and storming the parts. it's a fair supposition that the committee thinks that the people who were subpoenaed today have some kind of connection to the shadow figures of alex jones and roger stone and who are they? they are exactly the people who operate as a bridge between three percenters and terrorists on the one han

so good to see you, harry litman. thank you, sir. >> likewise. thank you. >>> joining me to discuss, democratic congressman eric swalwell. i appreciate you joining us, especially now that we have this developing news. the judge has once again denied trump. she is pointing him to an appeals court. trump's team has started the appeals process. are you confident the committee is going to get these records come friday? >> yes, don. of course they should. the judge said he is not king. presidents are not king. he is not even president. and these laws were meant to protect sitting presidents. the question is why is he fighting so hard in the courts spending so much money to keep the records from being public? well w he know the answer. it's because it shows that he is guilty as hell at inciting, inflaming and aiming a mob at the capitol that day. >> cnn has exclusive reporting here. we are learning that the january 6th committee wants to hear from five members of the former vice president mike pence's inner circle. the rioters were after the then-vice

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harry litman, thank you so much. >> thank you, kim.ood to be here. >>> another high-profile murder trial is under way in closing arguments expected monday. it involves the killing of ahmaud arbery, a black man chased down by and killed by two white men while jogging. the two cases have something in common. >> it's very scary for that family. kyle rittenhouse was a vigilante who instigated an encounter. and that's very similar to what happened there in glynn county in south georgia. ahmaud was misidentified as someone who may have been responsible for petty thefts in the area. but i'm hoping that the jury doesn't take the same course as the rittenhouse jury. >> suspect in the arbery case face felony murder and other charges. >>> just ahead on "cnn newsroom," the cdc weighs in on boosters for all adults. we'll tell you when those shots could start going into arms, just ahead. >>> plus, president biden underwent his first physical exam on friday and temporarily transferred his power to kamala harris. the results of his checkup just ahead.

let discuss with ron brownstein and harry litman a former deputy assistant attorney general. another round of subpoenas that. let me start with you, harry. right wing extremists like the oath keepers and proud boys played a big role in the january 6th attack at the capitol so what can these subpoenas that tell us? we're trying to find a link between the white house and violence we saw that day. any correlation to the infamous phrase of stand back and stand by? what do you think? >> yeah, well, so i think you hit the nail on the head, laura. it's the second in two days and yesterday both of them for the first time were people who really were involved in the planning, the organization, the coordination as opposed to actually being there and storming the parts. it's a fair supposition that the committee thinks that the people who were subpoenaed today have some kind of connection to the shadow figures of alex jones and roger stone and who are they? they are exactly the people who operate as a bridge between three percenters and terrorists on the one hand and trump and his circle

. >> stay with us, if you would, i want to bring back harry litman, deputy assistant attorney, explainf you subpoenaed the entire organization of the proud boys or oath keepers, how does that work? everybody comes in for an interview. >> you want documents, all the documents they control as an organization, then in addition, you're subpoenaing individuals but this follows on the heels, alisyn of yesterday's round of subpoenas. i haven't seen bennie thompson's letter, but i'm betting that they have information that these guys were in communication with alex stone and roger and powell, and so they are, i think, this is, again, we're over the level of the people who were actually there on the 6th to organizers, financers, and those people may, in fact, have a link to -- they have some information, white house political officials, household names. these are not. but they may well have coordinated conspired with, so they are really sort of aiming toward the top at this point. >> harry, another question, the committee is casting a very large net as you have just alluded to. everybody from al

attorney, harry litman.e expect these subpoenas and more importantly, any members of congress expected to get them? >> stephanie, the subpoenas are expected to drop today and tomorrow. that's according to the chairman of the committee, bennie thompson, who i spoke to on friday night. in terms of members of congress, it is unclear that they will be part of this round of subpoena. there was a suggestion that they weren't quite there yet. but we can safely say that persons of interest to this committee include members of congress who spoke at that so-called stop the steal rally that led directly to the attack on the capitol, as well as members of congress, who have spoken privately or who spoke privately to former president trump that day. those individuals relate directly to the mandate of this committee. we know that one of the individuals discussed for this current round of subpoenas is a man named john eastman. the trump attorney that wrote that memo, that's been described as a road map for a coup. his cert

attorney harry litman and cnn legal analyst joey jackson. help me understand. it's a split verdict.iable. for some, they were deadlocked. are they going to be retried civilly? >> so, what happens, alisyn, is you have that right or otherwise you can settle the case. you can resolve it in some way. and so remember that because you're dealing with a civil case, you're talking about a whole different standard. usually, when we're speaking about a criminal very high standard because it involves somebody's liberty interest. when you talk about monetary claims, it's preponderance, is it more likely than not. the defense is i have a first amendment right, i have a right to say what i want, do what i want, you do but if it conflicts or goes adverse to the law, violence kicks in, and then you lose that right, and so the jury, again, to jason carroll's point, the first two games with respect to racially motivated violence finding, we can't make a finding. preventing it, we can't make a finding, and instead of saying guilty, we say liable, meaning you're responsible. >> understood. here are the

also joining us, harry litman, and jonathan lemere is here. rev, you became part of the story -- we will get to that later in the show. but first, tell me how the arbery family is doing today. >> well, they -- i was sitting between the mother and father, holding hands, praying, when the jury came in. and when the guilty verdict was announced, wanda broke down and started crying. and marcus, the father, just jumped up and started screaming. we had to take him out of the courtroom. i think as much confidence as they exuded throughout the several months, and as you said, i was involved through national action network in the case even before the video was discovered, they always said they believed they could win. but you never know until it happens. and i think the emotional outburst was a relief. we had lunch right before the verdict was announced. we were having lunch, marcus, and attorney crump and i when we got the call to come back there was a verdict. and they just was preparing themselves for the worst. i have gone through so many trials th

attorney harry litman. i love having you guys on. good evening. good to see you. >> good evening. >> this has become a major stand-off between meadows and the select committee. what can you tell us? >> what we know is that donald trump has no interest in the truth, in the rule of law, or the integrity of american democracy. that attitude filters down to his team. we saw that in their conduct after the election. we saw it on the january 6th insurrection. and now we see it in their blanket resistance to the congressional inquiry here. what they're trying to do, throw up legal obstacles, try to drag out the effort to drag them in for testimony as long as possible, if they're shut out the first time they try to appeal. if they show up, not talk, and count on the fact that the justice department may not be very fast to bring criminal contempt proceedings, you know, you were talking the last hour with mark meadows -- sorry -- john dean and making the analogy to dean's testimony against nixon and wondering about whether meadows might do the same thing an

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also with us, luke broad water, and harry litman. luke, this is your reporting. take us through it. >> hi, yes. nicole, in recent weeks the january 6th committee has really ramped up its efforts, especially this week. we've seen now 35 subpoenas go out, 16 of those were just in the past two days. we have seen more than 150 witnesses come in. we have seen new investigators be hired. in fact, i believe the whole investigative team is now in place. and so they are really -- in the first couple months of the committee, they felt like they were sort of building the plane as they were flying. now they feel like they have their whole team in place, they have a strategy, they have different assignments for different investigators, and they are really getting moving now. and i think your seeing that this week with this latest round of subpoenas. >> you know, in reading your reporting, luke, i was reminded of the mueller probe which was split into -- andrew weismann was working on the outside the collusion track, others were working on the obstruction track. it seems like

we're joining by harry litman and david henderson. thank you for being with me. take us through what the jury asked this morning for. >> reporter: this was the first time we've heard from the jury since they started deliberating yesterday morning. they're entering hour nine of deliberations. we heard they do have lunch. not clear if they're going to work through lunch. this morning they asked to review materials. they wanted to see the video that william bryan shot that shows the violent death of ahmaud arbery. they wanted to see it played three times and they asked to hear the 911 call made by greg mcmichael. we heard the prosecution putting so much emphasis on this call, picks up the phone, dials 911. the operator asks, what's your emergency, and he says there's a black man running down the street. that's something the prosecution has pointed out time and time again. we'll see what today brings. if the jury hasn't reached a decision by the end of today, they will break for tomorrow and be back on friday morning. jose? >> and, harry, what is your initial reactio

yamiche alcindor, and harry litman, and brian, he wrote the new book corruptible. let's start with the basics, what's going to happen today? >> good morning, stephanie, we expect to see bannon to self-surrender at the fbi's washington field office a few blocks from where i'm standing, and then later early in the afternoon probably, he will appear in this courthouse behind me for a magistrate judge and an arraignment on the two counts of contempt of congress. the charges will be read and he'll have a chance to enter a plea. we found out today his lawyer is a man named david schoen, who represented president trump in his second impeachment trial. it's worth noting that it's very rare that the justice department brings a contempt of congress. there have only been a few over the last 30 years, and that's mainly because the doj is generally reluctant to get in the middle of political disputes between congress and the executive branch. this case is difference. this grand jury handed down this indictment on friday and in announcing it, this is about the rule of law. steve

harry litman, leigh ann caldwell, eddie glaude, david jolly, katty kay, thank you for being part of what wasn't our plan, but the breaking coverage of the hour. "the beat with ari melber" starts right now. >> hi, nicolle. welcome to "the beat." we're tracking the breaking news nicolle just referenced. the new subpoenas for roger stone. neil koch al joins us on that. i'll bring you all that with legal expertise from neil and others. we begin with our top story. that's the vigilante justice and the hate on trial across america. conservative leaders have been celebrating the jury acquittal of the teenager who killed two. there's these other trials that are continuing regarding where the jury is deliberating -- who are accused and indicted for killing an unarmed jogger. these killers all white and the jogger, ahmaud arbery is black. these men chased him down and shot him to death on camera. they later claim what they were doing in their mind was a citizen's arrest. they claim that without evidence of them actually doing so at the time. that's something the prosecution has torn into noting th

that's where we begin today, joining us, jonathan lemere, betsy woodruff swan, and harry litman. you. the federal judge today fought back on team trump's claims there was no legislative purpose really seems like she suffers no fools. what do we expect her to decide? then what happens next? >> that was big, alicia, because trump's papers have made that his number one argument especially as they have gone on because it is his big hope. once he loses that, his claims are weaker, still, because biden says i am not going to assert it. he has come out of the box saying no legislative purpose, congress can't do law enforcement. that's why incidentally when congress people come on your show they say we are doing this for a legislative reason, there may be a law down the line. what do i expect? she is focused on the time line. she gave a quick schedule. i expect her to rule quickly, by, say, tomorrow. then it goes up to the court of appeals if she denies trump's motion to sort of stop the music. i believe she will, though she has indicated she may narrow the subpoena a bit that could happe

harry litman is back, former u.s. attorney. a very effective tool against propaganda and specifically those who profit from propaganda. one of the reasons that this victory occurred by default, by the way, the judge saying i'm going to announce a win here for the parents because alex jones refuses to give over the data and the finances and everything being requested for the lawsuit. why do you think that is? amongst other reasons, he profited from this vile propaganda that the sandy hook shooting never happened. so we have seen this effective as a tool. the parents have won multiple lawsuits. some in texas where alex jones is based and now in connecticut where the parents are based. and we have seen it in similar issues where some are suing fox news because of propaganda, lies, disinformation. we're going to see it. the other significant part of this is look at the lengths people will go to to protect their guns. at the heart of this was, hey, they are going to use the sandy hook shooting to take our guns away. let's lie about

harry litman, leigh ann caldwell, eddie glaude, david jolly, katty kay, thank you for being part of whatthe breaking coverage of the hour. "the beat with ari melber" starts right now. >> hi, nicolle. welcome to "the beat." we're tracking the breaking news nicolle just referenced. the new