that we can expect to see, both from fani's office, and the special grand jury [inaudible] >> harry litman we know donald trump spent a similar amount of time in an under oath deposition in new york, with the new york state attorney general in a civil matter. but he took the fifth amendment 440 times. could that be a version of what happens today in georgia? >> definitely. so, typically, in federal practice and other criminal trials, when there was a target, they don't have to show up, they can just say, i am not going to talk, and the prosecutor gives them the pass. that's not so in georgia. i suspect that he didn't give very much and he gave some combination of the fifth amendment -- which he can validly a search to any question -- and possibly attorney-client privilege, though, as you note, he has no legal basis for it. but there is no way to sort of freeze proceedings, go to the judge and get a ruling in the middle of things. they can push it later. i think, quite likely, it forced every single question on him, so that the grand jury could hear him answer every single question. but he

joining me is former asivt deputy attorney general harry litman. he's now the host of the talking feds podcast. cnn political commentator mia love, former congresswoman from utah. and cnn security correspondent josh gamble, a former fbi supervisory special agent. great to see all of you. harry, are you surprised that the judge appears to be considering releasing some portion of this affidavit? >> you know, i was surprised. it's kind of a great country in a way. he's a long-time u.s.a. you've got to think he understands the government's concerns. and nevertheless this is such an important and unprecedented case he's taking the public's right to know very, very seriously. now, the doj had anticipated this possibility and they basically had argued if you make us redact it's going to be just pages and pages, this is probably a 50 or 100-page document, of blacked-out marks, et cetera. so it will be incoherent. thursday will be the proof of that. they'll come in and redact everything, including things that could identify even secondhand some of the witne

harry litman is a former u. s. attorney for the western district of pennsylvania. he served as deputy assistant general in the department of justice. he joins me now. harry, thanks for coming on. these deletions keep getting normalized as bureaucracy or bad records management. but it is actually illegal to destroy federal records is it not? whether intentionally or by mistake? >> look, i think it's beginning to and the coincidence that you alluded to with the wild quote, we could put a bigger turn on it because all three of them are people who are likely to have important evidence about january 5th and 6th, most recently woof and cuccinelli trump was calling up and badgering to seize voting machines. so those texts ought to be really probative and yes at this point a mystery would be putting it kindly. we are almost at the "dog ate it" phase and it's not passing the smell test but it's simple in this fact mehdi. we've got this going on and what has to happen doj needs to open an investigation. i think it will. it could be sprawling, it could be simple. but the peopl

we're back with harry litman.mpact. >> it's pretty large. so, first of all, they're looking at life in prison and the doj, as you said, they had a hung jury with sort of allegations wafting around that the fbi had overextended, maybe, and trapped the guy, and they didn't -- they wouldn't necessarily go back, and they did here because of the overall public importance of what's happening. the defendant said, oh, these are just tough-talking pot heads. guess what? tough-talking pot heads have taken up arms in many cases. that happened january 6th. and have really crossed over the line and had a really dangerous physical impact on our political culture. so, doj, i think, decided, and rightly, we've got to go back for a second try and hope for the best, and they succeeded. >> harry, when you listen to that statement by the u.s. attorney -- assistant u.s. attorney, it's talking about things that weren't done in secret. i mean, this chatter about a civil war and a revolution is out in the open on the far, far right. what

joining me to discuss, former deputy assistant attorney harry litman.the time. >> thanks, jim. >> so, first of all, does the outreach to doj from trump's lawyers indicate to you that trump and his team are nervous about their potential criminal exposure here? >> yes, pretty clearly. the trigger is quite obviously the subpoenas of cipollone and philbin because the law is clear, doj, if they testify, and they will, although it may be delayed, they can provide, they have to provide all kinds of confidential communications with trump, the privilege doesn't exist or it yields. and that means all the things that cipollone declined to talk about, and before january 6th committee, they're going to say, and that's got to be killer testimony, right? i told him that this was unlawful. what did he say? et cetera. so they realized we have got to run in there now and do what we can to cut this off. >> you say the law is clear that that privileged claim as asserted by the president and his team is far too broad. why are you convinced of that? >> yeah. it is not even f

harry litman is a former u.s. attorney and a legal affairs columnist for the "l.a.ormer assistant deputy director of the fbi. why do you think the judge came in and filed this 13-page document to put some facts or his view down on the table? >> yeah, so i think it was always contemplated that he would do some kind of writing. it's a good question because magistrate judges often don't. i think he contemplates, a, the real possibility of an appeal here. this could go just above him to the district court and from there to the 11th circuit. always good to review a written record. and then, second, he wants to show the country, he sees this as an unprecedented case, he wants to lay out his reasoning. indeed, it was methodical and very much by the book. finally, there's an important sentence in there saying that it may be that it's so redacted that you just can't do it in a meaningful way. he wanted that sentence in there in case, come thursday or after thursday, he so decides, so at least people can anticipate that possibility. >> peter, the judge also said of the eviden

assistant attorney harry litman and elie honig and steve moore. elie, you're on set with me. give me your blanket early analysis of what you found in this document. >> we now know why this escalated to a criminal investigation. there's two sets of boxes here. it's the boxes that the fbi removed from mar-a-lago during the search warrant. we already know a good bit about those boxes because we've seen this receipt for property that was laid out that there was classified evidence in those boxes, including sci, which is the highest level of top secret documents. however, there was a second set of documents, an earlier set of documents that archives, the national archives got from mar-a-lago. 15 boxes. and we knew next to nothing about what was in those boxes. but now we know a lot that's really important. we know they contain 184 classified documents. 25 of them were top secret. they contain donald trump's handwriting. we don't know when that got in there. they were unfoldered and intermixed with other documents. that tells me somebody was in there doing things, moving documents

and harry litman is here, former u.s. attorney and former deputy assistant.ney general, let's turn to you first. what should we make of trump's latest rant about law enforcement? it's almost as if he's calling on the public to back him up here? that is scary. >> it is scary, stephanie. and there's concerns of exactly what we are seeing. i mean, look, part of this is a pattern that involves when trump is under attack, there is bluster and escalation rhetoric and threats of retaliation in some way. that's what we've been seeing tonight as well. he's not been accusing law enforcement, though, of quote unquote, destroying our country. and we've seen that his attacks on the fbi, on law enforcement, since that august 8th raid, they've been followed by people who follow him, acting upon it. i mean, just look at what's unfolded since then. i think, days after that, there was a group of heavily armed men, including with assault rifles, who stayed outside an fbi office in phoenix. on august 11th, there was a man who tried to attack this fbi office in cincinnati, and en

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the former president can't get a lawyer. >> harry litman, well said. thank you so much. meantime, a legal and political fight heating up here in wyoming while nationwide the political and personalities implications of new abortion legislation is pushing people to have second thoughts. and they're showing up in polling unexpectedly on the floor of a heavily republican state legislature as well. you're watching "chris jansing reports" live from cheyenne, wyoming, only on msnbc. bc usiness is going through the “woof”. but seriously we need a reliable way to help keep everyone connected from wherever we go. well at at&t we'll help you find the right wireless plan for you. so, you can stay connected to all your drivers and stores on america's most reliable 5g network. that sounds just paw-fect. terrier-iffic i labra-dore you round of a-paws at&t 5g is fast, reliable and secure for your business. new astepro allergy. no allergy spray is faster. at&t 5g is fast, with the speed of astepro, almost nothing can slow you down. because astepro starts working in 30 minutes, while othe

let's discuss and bring in harry litman, former u.s. attorney, and former deputy assistant attorney general. and luke broadwater is still with us. luke, talk us about these meetings today because doug mastriano, mike pompeo, two very different guys. doug mastriano is happy to be a human shield for donald trump. that is what got him to the big stage. mike pompeo, he's got a long career ahead of him. he didn't lose all that way just to carry trump's water. what are these two guys had it for? >> right, two different interviews, but speaking with sources who are familiar with them, neither produced the kind of information the january 6th committee had hoped for. the first one lasted very quickly. it was with doug mastriano, who went in with his lawyer virtually. they basically told the committee they weren't properly constituted, and they wanted to video record the interview. once the committee told them they couldn't do that, and no other witnesses were allowed to do that, they immediately ended the interview. and, now they're talking abou

. >> reporter: harry litman told cbs news this section that releasing the affidavit could chill futuretion by witnesses and harm other high-profile investigations is another warning shot. what jumps out at you? >> where do you get such information that's so solid that a magistrate judge will say okay, i see that, i'll sign this application? i think it has to be from someone at mar-a-lago. >> reporter: it's an insider of some kind? >> an insider of some kind. >> reporter: media organizations, including cbs news will renew their push thursday to make key records public, writing in a recent court filing, "this matter is one of utmost public interest involving the actions of current and former government officials. it is the government's burden to overcome this presumption of access." the president's son eric says surveillance video of the fbi search exists, captured by mar-a-lago cameras, and will be made public at, quote, the right time. as trump's legal team complains, the list of seized evidence is too vague. >> the inventory lists they gave us is borderline worthless. >> simply, a sou

. >> chief white house correspondent, elie honig, joining us harry litman, former u.s. attorney and deputy assistant a.g. and cnn political director david chalian. kaitlan 24 hours ago did not expect to be covering this news. not only it this surprising event happen, you have some really critical reporting on what happened in june two months prior to this at mar-a-lago. >> reporter: and that reporting is only raising more questions about what happened between a meeting that happened at mar-a-lago earlier this year and of course this search warrant that was executed yesterday. and what we were told by multiple sources is that several months ago, a handful of federal investigators went to mar-a-lago, sat down with some of trump's attorneys and were talking to them about these documents. and the former president actually was on the property at the time. we were told he stopped by the meeting. he greeted the investigators but did not stay and did not answer questions. then after that these attorneys showed the investigators where the documents are being stored at mar-a-lago

. >> reporter: harry litman told cbs news this section, the releasing the affidavit could chill future cooperation by witnesses and harm other high-profile investigations is another warning shot. what jumps out at you? >> where do you get some such information that's so solid that a magistrate judge will say, okay, i see that, i'll sign this application, i think it has to be from someone at mar-a-lago. >> reporter: an insider some an insider of some kind. >> reporter: media organizations including cbs news will renew their push thursday to make key records public, writing in a recent court filing "this matter is one of utmost public interest and involves the actions of current and former government officials. it is the government's burden to overcome this presumption of access." the president's son eric says surveillance video of the fbi search exists, captured by mar-a-lago cameras, and will be made public at, quote, the right time. as trump's legal time complains the list of seized evidence is too vague. >> the inventory list they gave us is borderline worthless. >> reporter: separat

. >>> harry litman is a former federal prosecutor and deputy general. always good to have you on.see these pictures, but also more than bizarre, potentially here breaking the law. explain the implications. >> sure. so, first of all, these are our records that he's flushing down the toilet. that is under the presidential records act. he has to preserve it. by the way, it's clear that's his handwriting. and, finally, we just know about the occasional times when white house personnel would find the toilets clogged, presumably he was able to do it successfully more than that. we don't know what they are except it's his own handwriting. he's a guy who takes great steps so you don't know what he said and tries to keep from having to testify. now these would also be his own words on writing and he's gone to extreme measures, it seems, and repeatedly and routinely, to keep those from the light of day. >> is it clearly illegal here? >> yeah, if he's gotten rid of presidential -- and, by the way, he was warned two times by previous chiefs of staff. it's hard for a president to get rid of re

attorneys, joyce vance, harry litman who also served as deputy assistant attorney general and the former fbi director for counterintelligence so we have the team all assembled. one thing that most likely -- what are the things we most likely will learn, not sources and methods. some of the classifications potentially. we already know some of this from reporting how top-secret some of these things were, special access documents. but perhaps we'll learn the time frame. how long it has taken for the national archives to get what they were legitimately seeking from any president, all presidents up until now from the former president when he left the white house and how many attempts at cooperation there were to de bunk the narrative from trump world that there was no cooperation and this was a completely unexpected, unwarranted, and illegal search? >> absolutely. one thing just to point out is magistrate judge reinhart did issue the order unsealing the necessary documents and then promptly the pacer system which is the system in which everything is posted and numerous people and i'm sure msn

harry litman, asha rangappa, thank you. >>> we're tracking a developing story out of ohio, police there in a standoff with a man who they say tried to break into an fbi field office this morning, and he was armed with, they say, a nail gun and an ar-15-style rifle. now, to be clear, we don't know what the motive was here. let's bring in cnn's b brin gingras. >> we're learning from officials he's contained at this moment by local, state, and federal authorities in an area that's really in between cincinnati and columbus, but let's back up just a little bit and go to 9:00 a.m. this morning when we're told by the fbi, this person went into the local fbi field office there in cincinnati, ohio, with sources telling me and my colleague, josh campbell, an ar-15-style rifle and a nail gun. fbi agents responded and this person took off. basically, in a car, shutting down a highway. now, we just got an update a short time ago from state authorities in ohio who said that they actually tried to pull over this person, and this person engaged with them, shots were being fired from the car, they conti

we're back with harry litman. ce of the presidency as a way to get out of the lawsuit. of course the judge dismissed this. what do you make of the ruling and trump's legal team's plan to continue to use the presidency as a sort of get out of jail free card? >> you know it's the only card they have to play. they will continue to play it, and it all just ups the stakes for a case in the court of appeals. just to take a quick step back, alicia, you may remember many months ago eric swalwell and benny thompson along with a couple officers filed a personal civil suit. it was i say, you, trump, you called your dogs in and they hurt me. and that means you're personally liable. trump at the time said, oh, i was just being the president. and therefore it's really a suit against the united states. i should be out of it. and this same judge ruled then in 112-page ruling, uh-uh, you weren't being the president, you were at best being a candidate. you were trying to get yourself to stay in office. that's not part of the officia

harry litman is also here, former u.s.odcast, and thank god he clears his schedule when we call. i'm still processing sue gordon's very sort of carefully calibrated reveal that donald trump never appreciated the craft of intelligence and, therefore, she wrote that op-ed to cut him off from the briefings, and it just broadens the time line, i think, for me, frank, that he's been a threat ever since the day he walked out of the building because he never knew what it was that he had. >> he was the insider threat. he's now an external threat. the risk continues. sue gordon really did encapsulate the threat and risk moving forward by discussing what she's experienced in the past as well. what do i mean by that? you know, all of us in government on our last day, no matter rank, i'm sure this was true for sue gordon. i'm sure it's true for john brennan who headed the cia and is an msnbc analyst. your last day you get debriefed. you get debriefed, and some person who you may not even know, maybe is 12 steps, you know, removed on t

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harry litman, former u.s. attorney, and former deputy assistant attorney general.uzzi, former fbi assistant, director for counter intelligence. tracy walder, former cia officer and fbi agent. she's the author of the book, the unexpected spice. harry, a lot here. what do you consider the critical revelation in this document? and where does this leave trump now? so, tonight, you have the wall street journal editorial implying, this isn't a really big deal. >> yeah, you know, i just don't see how anybody can say that. you know, you look at the affidavit, overall, i guess two things stand out, alicia. first, look at paragraph 47, when they finally find out what's involved here, we're talking about documents, dozens and dozens of documents that can result in people being killed, that can result in the revelation of sources and methods that are just being hanging around mar-a-lago, where nobody has a security clearance. nobody knows what to do. i just want to be clear about this. the reason you have to go, as the president was talking about, the scif. you have to surrend

reporter for "the washington post," a former special agent in the fbi's counterintelligence agent and harry litman, a former u.s. attorney. it's good to have you all here. so nbc news is working to confirm the details by "the new york times", but you're reporting that documents marked classified at a level suggesting that there's some of the government's most sensitive secrets were among those found in the 15z boxes turned over in january. what else can you tell us today? >> that's based on a letter from the national archives to president trump's lawyers that was first dus closed by conservative journalist with ties to donald trump. that letter provides a lot of new information that even goes beyond what "the new york times" is reporting. the letter says that the archives was negotiating with the trump side all of 2021 to try to get what they view as missing presidential records back. and when they finally got those 15 boxes of records in january, they found inside them what they said was more than 100. we know it's up to 150 documents marked classified, including 700 pamgs of classified documents

. >> joining us now, harry litman, former u.s.ost of the talking feds podcast, plus miles taylor, former chief of staff for the department of homeland security. and tracy walder, former cia officer and fbi special agent who spent five years as a covert operative for the cia's counterterrorism center. and with me on this set, at this hour, rev al sharpton, host of msnbc's "politics nation" and president of the national action network. harry litman, i begin with you as is my wont when there are matters of law at stake. i've said it many times for the last two weeks that i'm not a lawyer but i'll ask this question. christina bobb last night, when laura ingraham said, why didn't you file anything? she said, we chose to see how it would play out. is that how it works in court, generally, when you're an interested party in a legal proceeding? you don't file anything and just choose to see how it plays out? has that been your experience in litigation in the past? >> yeah, i think your legal term, hamina, hamina is the apt translation. on

cnn political commentator alyssa farah griffith, co-host of "the view" and harry litman, former deputy assistant attorney general. let me ask you on giuliani, he's a target of the georgia investigation we learned. how dangerous does that make him to the former president? >> extremely. a target basically she's concluded she already has what she needs to indict him. he's going to go down there, he's scheduled to be there tomorrow. by the way hurris diatribe abou attorney/client privilege doesn't work at all. he told complete fibs to the georgia legislature, that's the basis of the charge. he's 78. he's gotten used to the high life. he's got a big ego himself. if he's charged, and looking at serious time, i don't see his doing it and the question is what can he trade? well, we know what he can trade. he's got a lot of information about the former president who is also quite clear in the cross hairs of the same d.a.'s investigation. >> it is an interesting element because former aide to giuliani was on this morning and said at his age his entire goal is to live out the rest of his remainin

and harry litman is back, former u.s.the "talking feds" podcast. you have a newly released op-ed. you talk about, legally speaking, a knife at the throat of the ex-president. explain. >> well, so, you know, when this first started, and brandon really underscored it, there was an -- it was an absolutely exigent operation to return documents. we didn't know what kind of criminal possibilities it would present. we now do. all these documents, by the way, were signed to underscore the point by both the u.s. attorney and the southern district of florida and the head of counterintelligence, some of them just by the southern district, and the affidavit itself, while a search that was primarily or at least independently justified to get documents he had no business having and that honestly could have killed people and maybe even did, now presents, in the affidavit itself, proof of even the unredacted parts of the criminal charges and especially obstruction, the one that caught everybody's eye at the beginning. evidence, in other

also bradley jay moss, it's a turning, and harry litman, deputy assistant general under president clinton. it's not legal affairs columnist for the new york times. peter let me start with you on that point joe biden just made about the republicans now being in favor of defund the fbi. did you think and you've been watching a republican change in attitude to put it mildly over the trump years towards the fbi. did you think it was coming to this that they would actually be the defund the fbi party? >> lawrence if you asked me that prior to 2016, having watched grown up in a republican house, having watched the party, having watched the values that they stood for in terms of national security and support for the military and law enforcement, my answer would be never in 1000 years. but watching with trump did over the course of this administration, the constant demonization of a lot of different elements of the executive branch, but certainly in particular the fbi and anything the fbi jay might do that might go against him, unfortunately seeing that in motion this was the inevitable result. a

sara murray, national security analyst, steve hall, and former deputy assistant attorney general harry litmani'd love to have this conversation with you all as well. sara, i begin with you because look, you've been going through this search warrant meticulously. i'm wondering what more are you learning about what the fbi took from mar-a-lago and perhaps more importantly why? >> i think what is striking is this is all coming after more than a year of wrangling and even after that, even after all these discussions about the documents and a subpoena to get the documents what they walked away with, with this search warrant, were 11 sets of classified information, so that includes one top secret/sci doc. those are among the highest levels of classifications, four sets of top secret documents, three sets of secret document, and three sets of confidential documents, and of course something about the french president, we don't know what that is, and some kind of document related to the pardon of roger stone, donald trump's long-time political strategist. so quite an array there. obviously not a ton o

harry litman is here, former deputy assistant attorney general and nick ackerman, former assistant special watergate prosecutor. happy to have you on. let's start with the reporting. kara, you're part of the team who broke the exclusive. what are you learning about the conversations between trump's legal team and the department of justice. >> sources tell our team these conversations are taking place now between the justice department's top prosecutor who is leading the investigation into january 6th and into the efforts to interfere with the election. they are having those conversations with lawyers for the former president. these talks are revolving around the issue of executive privilege and whether former president trump can shield certain communications that he had while he was president with some of his associates. this is obviously a significant step and it shows how this investigation has really accelerated and how it's focusing very squarely on the white house since they want to know about conversations from those witnesses that you mentioned and what the former president had said

. >> harry litman, lisa rubin, ken dilanian, thank you for starting us off. we are also keeping an eye on a courthouse in fulton, georgia. right now, a judge is hearing arguments about whether the state's governor, brian kemp, will have to testify before a special grand jury. that panel is looking into allegations of voter fraud by former president trump and his allies in the 2020 election in georgia. earlier today, donald trump's attorney, jenna ellis, was scheduled to testify before that same special grand jury. nbc's blayne alexander is in atlanta with the latest. so, blayne, what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, katy, good morning to you. there are certainly a lot of moving pieces. let's start with jenna ellis. of course, she was a former advisor to the trump campaign but for the purposes of this investigation and 2020, really what prosecutors are looking at is the role that she played in setting up several legislative hearings in which rudy giuliani came forward and made really a number of false claims, conspiracy theories, about the election here in

sara murray national security analyst steve hall and former deputy assistant attorney general harry litman. look, i've had a deep conversation with fareed. you all are next. i'd love to have this conversation with you all as well. sarah, i begin with you. you've been going through this search warrant meticulously. i'm wondering what more are you learning about what the fbi took from mar-a-lago and perhaps more importantly why? >> i think what is striking is this is all coming after more than a year of wrangling and even after all these discussions about the documents and a subpoena to get the documents what they walked away with, with this search warrant, were 11 sets of classified information, so that includes one top-secret -- among the highest levels of classifications, four sets of top-secret documents, three sets of secret documents, three sets of confidential documents and of course something about the french president. we don't know what that is and some kind of document related to the pardon of roger stone. donald trump's long-time political strategist. so quite an array there. obv

times harry litman, we david jolly, and congressional reporter for politico,, it's good to see you all. harry, first, talk us through the role a special master would play here and what you make of this preliminary order. d what you>> it's a little baff, alicia. what's he is saying is, a special master can look at documents that might be privileged and call balls and strikes. there's somebody else who can do that, the magistrate judge. now, what's especially odd here is that there was a ten team, those are special fbi agents who went into look at things first so nothing bad would fall on the eyes of people working on the case. but they are looking for attorney-client privilege materials, things a memo between say trump and giuliani, of which there are maybe a half dozen, at most, in this whole big cash. trump's point is, there is executive privilege to these documents. that is all we he has been saying since the start, the letter you reported on before that came from the national archives specifically rejected that claim that went with the doj, the fbi, because that what was trump was u

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i want to bring in harry litman, a former u.s. attorney who is at the talking podcast. brian murphy, a former fbi senior executive, he is acting under secretary of homeland security under the trump administration. he filed a whistleblower complaint. this is also a reporter with the wall street journal. welcome to all of you. sadie, you and your colleagues at the journal, you have done some wonderful reporting and all of this. let's take a look at just a few of your latest coauthored pieces. there are the headlines. there is this exclusive publish from this morning. it is looking at fbi director christopher wray's efforts to keep politics out of the bureau. i know that you contributed to this articles. it says that he did not address the mar-a-lago search in the interview. quote, people familiar with the matter say that he was involved in weeks of discussion with the attorney general, merrick garland and other senior doj and fbi officials about the decision to ask you execute the search warrant. we believe that it was a step that had to be taken to recover classified doc

let's bring in harry litman, who helped lead the justice department as deputy assistant attorney generalhe also served as u.s. attorney. we also have cnn legal analyst areva martin, a civil rights attorney, and elie honig is a former federal and state prosecutor. alex jones's attorneys filed a mistrial -- i'm sorry, asked for a mistrial because of these text messages, and the judge denied it. >> right. so, this happens sometimes, alisyn. it's called inadvertent disclosure where an attorney for one party mistakenly sends information, texts, documents, other to the other side and what you normally do is say, whoops, you weren't supposed to see that. perhaps they were privileged between attorney and client. perhaps between spouses, so i would like them back and i think the response here from the plaintiffs was, yeah, but we were entitled to these documents in the first place. these are not privileged. these are not attorney-client communications. these are the kind of documents that we requested and were entitled to so now we have them and now we're going to use them and it looks like the j

also with me is kyle cheney, senior legal affairs reporter for politico, and harry litman, former u.s. attorney and host of "the talking feds" podcast. thank you all for being with me. sam, first, we want to go to you. the government has until thursday to submit the redactions it wants to this affidavit. what will this process look like and what else did the judge say? >> reporter: so, lindsey, right now, we know that there is absolutely the potential in this case for it to drag on. the judge ordered a directive for the next six days now, seven as of yesterday, for the doj to provide its version of the redacted affidavit, what they would like to see released, not like to, but think is realistic to get out there. the judge will then review it, and he has seen the entire affidavit and has some idea of what's in there and thinks what the public is entitled to see. they'll try to figure out a middle ground. if they cannot, the next step is that the judge would seal his version and that would start his appellate process. so who knows how long that goes on for. if they can't come to terms,

attorney, harry litman. he is now host of the talking ex podcast.lumnist for the l.a. times, msnbc contributor, melissa murray. she's also a professor at the and why you school of law. melissa, i try not to use too much sound of trump, before the times, unless i really feel like it paints a picture, and it's relevant to what might be happening, going forward. you had him attacking hillary clinton over her emails. he strengthened penalties or misuse of classified information. he should have known you can't just store government documents at a resort. >> i mean, you should have known. and he didn't know, apparently, or maybe he did. we don't know. regardless of how you slice it, it's either gross negligence, or it is intentional recovery of these classified documents in the storage, and a place that is not actually secure. and i can only imagine that hillary clinton, sitting somewhere in her home, stroking her hair right now and laughing. because this is absolutely hysterical, that the person who is crying to lock her up because she mishandled sensiti

harry litman is a former department ofjustice official.sified documents just like that? declassified documents 'ust like that? , ., ., , , that? the short answer is, it doesnt that? the short answer is, it doesn't matter. _ that? the short answer is, it doesn't matter. almost - that? the short answer is, it - doesn't matter. almost certainly not, it is something that has never happened and there is no evidence that happen in this case, but the department of justice anticipated its argument by the former president and is specifically charged crimes, in the search warrant, that don't require classified materials and tees valley asked in the warrant for documents marked classified — in other words, ones that have been that way. so they finessed around an argument and it is kind of surprising that trump is still trying to advance it, because it is perfectly relevant on the law. ~ . . , because it is perfectly relevant on the law. . . ., , the law. what are these documents? wh would the law. what are these documents? why would former _ the law.