. >> i -- i just reread harry mcpherson's book, harry mcpherson was an aide to lyndon johnson. it was a wonderful book. he has in there at one point, he said, lyndon johnson could deliver. because he had a firm working relationship with republican leaders. he said, the bolder, the more sweeping, the more complex the program that a president submits to congress, the more necessary it is that he and his helpers practice the nonintellectual art of personal politicking. with men and women of both parties, he says the grasp of the issues and the facility of expression are seldom sufficient to get the job done. and it seems to me, i wonder and i just want to talk to each of you today. has washington lost the ability to negotiate? have they lost the ability to make a deal? it's not that way any more. joe, why don't we go around the horn here. >> well, i think they have lost the ability to make a deal. and i think it's, you know, i think senator mcgovern can certainly talk about it. even when he was virtually calling for johnson to get out of the white house, was still talking to him a