david silverman, president of the american atheists says both are wrong, but harry mehead of the libertyncil says it's a myth that the constitution even requires separation of church and state. really? i thought did. >> absolutely yeah, john the ward separation of church and state are nowhere to be found in our constitution. the fact of the matter is our founders were by and large men of great faith who were not neither ashamed nor afraid to acknowledge that our rights come not from man, not from government but from almighty god the creator god. and the first thing that our founders did after they enacted the first amendment was not to enact some kind of absolute separation of church and state, but rather it was to establish a chaplaincy in the u.s. congress and start every session with prayer acknowledging god. john: it's not in the constitution. where did the separation idea come from. >> the phrase doesn't have to be in the constitution, it is civil law. when we're talking about the separation of church and state -- john: what do you mean civil law? >> it's civil law. the united state