i know harry reid back in 2013 said it's possible this would take two weeks. it took two days. >> twoong days, but two days. hank>> tou. >> thank you so much. [inaudible conversations] "washington journal" live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. coming up thursday morning michigan republican congressman fred upton discusses combating tpi epidemic and then north carolina democratic congressman david price will join us to talk about the state of the affordable care act. american foundation for suicide prevention vice president will discuss rising suicide in the u.s. we should watch c-span "washington journal" live at 70's and thursday morning. join the discussion. >> here's what's live on the c-span network thursday following member speeches the house continues work on a number of opioid -related bills. house coverage on c-span. on c-span2, more debate on the senate on the 2019 defense program measure. on c-span three, president trump picked to be u.s. ambassador to south korea harry harris testifies along with other state dtm and ton hearin

innow harry reid at the time 2013 said it was impossible and it would take two weeks. and it took two days. but two days.ys thank you. >> thanks. >> here on c-span, "washington live with your phone calls and a look at today's headlines. with:00, newsmakers democratic congressman jerrold nadler from new york and later we will show your highlights from the u.s.-north korea summit in singapore followed by departing news's conference. coming up on today's "washington fromal" stephen farnsworth the university of mary washington talks about his book about the evoluti of white house news management over the last two decades. and roger stone will then join us to discuss the trump k esidency and his new b politics. ♪ host: good morning. a busy week on capitol hill. the senate returns tomorrow. the house gaveling in on tuesday. senators will continue their debate on the defense spending bill. -- house voting for spot funding of the opioid crisis and president from with house republicans on tuesday in advance of debate over two gop immigration bills. it is sunday morning, june 17

. >> tucker: john summers was communication director for harry reid.manafort is a 69-year-old lobbyist who poses no physical threat to public safety. he is not a flight risk. he doesn't have a passport. yet he is in jail punished for a crime that the government hasn't attempted to prove he committed. are you comfortable with that? >> let's go back and talk about what got him here. he should not be surprised. he made his bed. now it's time for him to lie in it. he violated the judge's gag order writing an op-ed. she said do it again and you will suffer the consequences. well, he violated -- >> tucker: you are comfortable for punishing people for writing op-eds. >> i am telling what you the judge said. >> tucker: i am asking you are you comfortable with that? the government says don't give your opinion and you do it anyway, should you be punished? >> if the judge tells you there is a gag order on the case, you don't talk about the case. >> tucker: okay. did he do that? was there a trial that i missed? >> he is not confirmed to do that. tell me the thousa

and as you well remember, harry reid who was then the majority leader in the senate, he did away with the jushl filibuster when democrats controlled the senate. looking back, was that a major mistake? >> this is driven by leader mcconnell's vision -- >> yes, but it is the decision for earlier -- >> but you're assuming -- you're ignoring what i said which is when it comes to supreme court nominees, the republicans don't care about process or precedent or principle. they want to control the court and they will do whatever it takes to get there. had harry not done that, and had we had a lock-up on the supreme court nominee. mitch mcconnell would have done exactly the same thing that he did. we'd be in the exact same position no matter what harry reid did. >> what he did, he didn't include the supreme court but the other judicial nominees, was that a mistake on his part? >> not one that affects us today. obviously we're seeing it in the circuit court nominees run through and the district court nominees but i think the notion that this wouldn't be done by the republicans is fanciful. >> se

>> tucker: john summers was communications director of senator harry reid in nevada, thanks a lot foring on. so paul manafort whatever you think of his business meetings is an elderly 69-year-old lobbyist who poses no physical threat to public safety so he's not a light risk but he's in jail tonight being punished for a crime the government has not proven or even attempted to prove, there's been no trial, are you comfortable with that? >> let's talk about what got him here. he shouldn't be surprised by this he made his bed now it's time for him to lie in it. he was warned back in december when he violated the judge's's g order by helping to ghostwrite an op-ed. at that time he said do it again and you could suffer some consequences. he violated the terms of hisns parole. >> tucker: you're comfortablefo with punishing people for writing op-eds? >> i'm telling you what the judge said. >> tucker: i've been following this, i'm asking you as a political figure are you comfortable with it? do you think we should punish people for writing unauthorized op-eds. the government says don't give y

that probably says more about harry reid's politic clout in nevada than anything else. system where they rank their preferred candidates one two three four five. they voted 55-45 to keep the new system. yes, they voted on how to vote while voting in this new way. long story. google it and figure it out if you want more details. but because of the ranked candidate voting we are still waiting on results in the crowded democratic primaries for both governor and a house seat. the ballots have to be retabulated in both races based on people's secondices because nobody received 50%. that's now the future -- once and future way that maine will be doing their elections going forward. we'll be right back with more "mtp daily" after the break. i've analyzed the data. these days all networks are great. yet some humans choose to pay so much more with verizon when they could be saving with sprint. don't forget we've got the best price for unlimited. and, sprint offers 50% off a samsung galaxy s9 lease. we must tell all humans. totally, you should find joanne in marketing a.s.a.p. et

the nuclear option began in 2013, harry reid can be thanked for that, but i wonder if you and fellow democrats would be crying foul if hillary clinton were president today and in this same exact position and wanted to nominate a justice to replace kennedy and to do it around labor day before the midterms, would you be crying foul in the same way and say, wait, we should wait? >> first of all, there's no disputing the fact that mcconnell clearly stole the supreme court seat, delaying and delaying and refusing to take up the nomination of judge garland. that can't be disputed. the big issue here, poppy, is not just the way that this plays out in the senate, it has to do with the direction of the court and whether the president -- >> i understand -- >> -- rollback reproductive rights -- >> congressman, trust me, i understand how consequential it is, but my question to you is, would you be saying the same thing if hillary clinton were president? >> would i be saying that mitch mcconnell stole -- >> would you be saying that we should wait until after the midterms? if a democrat were presi

this door was opened by harry reid in the fall of 2013 as nuclear option 1. he lowered, changed the precedent, the threshold for all types of judicial nominees, administration nominees from 60 to 51. that opened pandora's bucks. mitch mcconnell made sure that the democrats got a taste of their own medicine. now we could have nuclear option 3. the senate is scheduled to be in session all august long. if the president is able to submit a nominee soon, we could have hearings, confirmation votes, sometime in august before they start the term in october. >> dana: so the change that mcconnell made for gorsuch, is that the precedent? they only need to get to 51. >> right. they changed the precedent for all supreme court nominees. now, they still have 60 votes for legislation. that's another issue. >> dana: democrats a be very frustrated today. they have to look back and i think blame senator harry reid for starting them down that path. he was the one that broke the initial precedent. now you have this situation. so they are going to be disappointed and it will be a

i mean, you could look at harry reid, you could look at hillary clinton and barack obama, very similar language which is they wanted to discourage people coming to our southern border and some types kids coming under the attention of other adults who they've paid, coyotes we call them, sometimes as a family unit and it's a very dangerous journey the women are abused along the way, some of the women get birth control because they know they'll be raped it's a horrendous humanitarian crisis and to encourage people to take that trip is a disaster and politicians on the other side for me and the democratic party when they're honest they admit and it's a terrible policy and donald trump and to a certain extent barack obama was right to discourage people from making this journey but it's really important, liz to understand that the president hasn't changed his policy on separating kids and parents. that policy, the president hasn't changed his policy on zero tolerance on prosecuting these adults who cross illegally he's simply saying we ought to be able to keep the kids with the parents. it's

. >> harry reid broke the filibust filibuster. if you have 50 votes, 51, it's over.he one thing they are banking on is that melting down in front of the committee, under the lights, under the stress. i lean towards kethledge. how much does that factor into it now, seung min? >> very much so. he performed very well under his confirmation hearings last march. so the confirmation hearings matter greatly. again, since we know that the nominee isn't going to wait until niece really contentious issues such as abortion, it may not matter ultimately much at the end. but the politics, you can't understate the politics of the nation. this comes in a very heated midterm year. we already have a lot of democratic senators up for reelection in states where trump is very popular. won them in 2016 by double digits. where the democrat senators will feel pressure to confirm whomever trump picks. but look on the other side, we have senator susan collins of maine and lisa murkowski of alaska, very independent-minded senators who haven't been afraid to buck their party. they both support

this pattern was created under president obama and harry reid, if you get one dollar for defense, they hold up the defense bill until they get an increase in nondefense. we had a chance to win, i think we forfeited our opportunity, which is unfortunate. that is the kind of place we have to start if we are going to address this many issues we have. >> looking ahead to a very big week, the discharge position deadline, and the historic summit with north korea. thank you so much for being here to set the stage on newsmakers. >> let's go back to immigration and the discharge. both of you are following the mechanics. what should our viewers who are not following closely need to know about this process? of it fromkind pockets of negotiation happening. one of the big questions is whether lawmakers will be able to agree on what happens with the dreamers. these are people in the daca program or may be eligible. whether lawmakers can increase on some kind of path to citizenship. when congressman jordan was talking about no special path to citizenship, that is the crux of the debate. it is unclear

harry reid wrote to you to complain of a disturbing double standard for the treatment of sensitive information is right was there since you came into possession of the slightest thing you end up related to this includes in your rush to publicize it in the most negative light possible you said and yet you continue to resist his calls to inform the public about critical information relating to the little truck that's true isn't that you were inconsistent no not in any respect in the premise of his i'm sorry but over this but i think if i stay silent on things people later say i agreed with the notion that all we had about hillary clinton was innuendo is nonsense but what you have about donald trump you possess he said explosive information about close ties and coordination between donald trump his top advisers and the russian government you know that's not true i really can't talk about anything that might be classified i can just say again that the characterization of the senator's letter is not accurate the decision that president obama had to make was not my decision it was his was whether to

it's the fact that brennan, the cia director briefed harry reid on some of this information with the knowledge of the white house. judge jeanine: the obama white house. >> exactly. we have to get to the bottom of it. judge jeanine: that's where i'm going in two minutes. so rod rosenstein, the guy who appoint mueller who is a friend of comey to investigate the president of the united states, because rosenstein convinced sessions to back out. the whole thing if you throw a movie on this, no one would believe it. he says the hse committee on intelligence that's constitution alley obligated to have oversight on the department of justice is committing ex d extortion. that's a quote. what say you? >> it can't be extortion when it's your constitutional duty. we have an obligation as a separate and equal branch of government to get information for the american people. when trey gowdy said the fbi behaved the way american citizens would want them behave. really? was andy mccabe behaving appropriately when he lied three times under oath. and when they took the dossier to the court and didn't t

but it is amazing, basically correct from the filibuster which was in 2013 when harry reid decided to nuke the filibuster over judges to what he is saying about immigration, the fact is mitch mcconnell who a lot of conservatives have been critical of if it were not for mitch mcconnell at least one seat would have gone to barack obama and mitch mcconnell deserves a lot of credit for the fact it is a swing seat at not the replacement of another seat with a conservative. shannon: he thinks they can get a couple democrats. and collins and michalski if there's a pro-life pro-choice issue they may be out on a nominee. and let's get your reaction. >> qualifications, whoever was sent up and very diligently. that is basically to review and -- shannon: sounds like him and he is a measured guy who said i will take a look at the qualification before i say absolutely not. >> the qualifications, following harriet myers nomination are quite good. the top 5 trump is looking at currently sitting on courts of appeals and solid educational backgrounds, intellectual heavyweights and looking at your quali

passed omnibus and cod the spending, continuing this pattern created under president obama and harry reid, you get a dollar for defense, they hold up the defense bill until they get a dollar increase in nondefense as well. we had a chance to win it and engage in that debate. i think we forfeited our opportunity to do the right thing which is unfortunate but that's the kind of thing, that's the place where we have to start if we want to address the big long-term spending issues we have. susan: looking ahead to a big week, the 12th is the way with the discharge petition deadline and the president meeting in this historic summit in north korea. thanks so much for being here to set the stage for all that with us on "newsmakers." representative jordan: you bet. thank you. susan: let's go back to immigration and the discharge petition. both of you are following the mechanics of this. what should our viewers who are not following it so closely, what do they need to know about this process and how it works and what the outcome might be, christina, you want to start? christina: sure. there are dif

he's not playing hardball the way harry reid played hardball with the republican party. to break after a half week of work and not getting to the judges he's supposed to. lou: chuck schumer has inordinate authority and power in the minority. certainly more than perhaps the majority leader does in his own party. >> it's kind of the way the senate has worked. the question is will the democrats respect the 60-vote threshold? i'm sceptical of that. >> i agree. consequences of this are being seen in many ways. we have the blue-slip rule preventing circuit judges from getting confirmed from liberal senators block. some of the key appointments have not been killed because of inaction in the senate. our president can't get his agenda passed under the circumstances. lou: join us t night. good night. kennedy: a political showdown from the border to the nation's capital. republicans squaring off against democrats. the question now, who is going to tbling first. the president blasted the left claiming they are obstructing his plans to secure the bored and they are the cause of the i

he's not playing hardball the way harry reid played hardball with the republican party. you can see that by his allowing the senate to break after a half week of work and not getting to the judges he's supposed to. lou: chuck schumer has inordinate authority and power in the minority. certainly more than perhaps the majority leader does in his own party. >> it's kind of the way the senate has worked. the question is will the democrats respect the 60-vote threshold? i'm sceptical of that. >> i agree. consequences of this are being seen in many ways. we have the blue-slip rule preventing circuit judges from getting confirmed from liberal senators block. some of the key appointments have not been killed because of inaction in the senate. our president can't get his agenda passed under the circumstances. lou: join us no bill, but lou dobbs is next. lou: good evening, our top story, president trump using all the powers of his office trying to push for secure borders and senssensible immigration laws, e democrats play obstructionists. >> worse immigration laws in the history o

when you talk about the use of the nuclear option by harry reid, former majority leader of the democrats, the same -- he did that at the end of the obama years, not decades of such behavior but this is sen. mcconnell's decision to do away with the filibuster for supreme court nomination which is what he did with neil gorsuch and that took place but in response to your question now the you stop the two things need to be said. one is here making the case you don't do before the midterm election because you saw mitch mcconnell's argument, don't do before the presidential election so you have republicans saying there is a difference, that was a presidential election, this is a midterm election, you can understand how democrats would see some analogous behavior. the second thing is they are going to try to say on a personal basis, who is this person and it does come back to roe v wade. is this someone who is going to be opposed to the principle that a woman has the right to choose with regard to abortion. >> these different candidates, whoever is in front of the senate judiciary committee won

alayna kagan a few months before the 2010 midterms and the republicans have something else, the harry reid precedent, looking like democrats will reject that read as leader lowered the bar to 51 votes to muscle through obama's nominee's, mcconnell warned this would backfire. >> you want to play games, another precedent you will no doubt come to regret, you will regret this and you may regret it a lot sooner than you think. >> democrats in diane feinstein, during the merrick garland episode democrats surrendered the judicial branch to mitch mcconnell. this is not just about animus against donald trump which is already fierce in the democratic party but a potential senate war where mainstream democrats will face intense pressure to resist this nominee no matter what. >> everybody gets a precedent. >> shannon bream president by laura income. shannon: great to have you with us. our next guest will play a pivotal role in the upcoming debate over justice kennedy's seat on the court as a member of the senate judiciary committee and happens to be on the short list himself, sen. mike lee, republica

this does track back to harry reid. i opposed it then, i oppose it now.e should have the filibuster. but it was the democrats. charles: are the democrats going to be able to stop this? it seems like the rally point is abortion. we are hearing scary things in terms of -- they are laying it on pretty thick already. >> they are laying it on thick. but i spent time going through par limitary rules to see if there were any tricks. i don't think that there are. the only thing i can see happening. you have senators running in red states that are democrats. they are pacing the floor right now. then you have got some republican senators, you know who they are, murkowski, collins, you don't know what they are going to do. probably the only tactic available is to screw up everything in the senate which democrats might be able to do. screw up everything in order to try and slow it down. i don't know if it will work. charles: names are being tossed out there. youngest, 50, maybe under. strict constitutionalist. is that the right idea for you and is there a name that j

but one thing i come back to is when john brennan is screamingality james comey through harry reid testifying him to get on this and look at trump- russia connections, i think that points to the fact that john brennan may have a hand in this. >> laura: we find out that the initial reporting about george papadopoulos and the first contact he had with alexander downer where he said the australian diplomat, where it was initially reported that there are thousands of lost emails that russia has from the clinton campaign. it turns out he gave an interview, he said they have dirt. gosh the trump campaign official said he knew before this was released and the emails came to the public domain, he said that sounds really bad. that's not what he said. he said, they have dirt. >> he said damaging information to the clintons. this is all very interesting and you asked earlier what my gut feeling is. what doesn't sit well in the gut of a retired f.b.i. executive and many agents right now, is that the investigation was initiated and run as well as the clinton e-mail investigation out of headquarters. by he

did harry reid have the votes?> the next time democrats are in control of the senate you will bet they will end the filibuster. there is no question about that whatsoever. but mitch mcconnell does have forces within the republican caucus that would not go along with something like this. >> who are those forces. let's identify them for people and what their interests are. >> i'm sure there is a concrete list of them. but there are people like john mccain. obviously a lot of people who will be going here before long. and he's exactly right about one thing. for a long time it worked. for a long time it sort of worked to keep a lot of bad things about gun legislation from getting to the senate. and i was always appreciative of it. it's a whole different game now. these people have so wrecked the institution. they wrecked everything about it. they may as well be up or down vote in the senate. and the only reason there isn't that is because of the senate's own rules. he'll at least need some caucus. and so i think that's

if it's broken in the senate, wasn't the democratic leader, harry reid, that in 2013 -- >> yeah. >> ed: so you blame your own party for leading us down this road with lower court nominees and other presidential nominees only needing 51 votes? at the time mitch mcconnell said you're going to regret this. >> yeah. it was a huge mistake. and i think there's a whole series of factors leading to us this point. the polarization in congress and the dysfunction of congress didn't begin with that one move. there were plenty of moves. i think the merrick garland decision was a bad precedent as well. there's bad behavior on all sides. what it means, this institution, the courts, they're as broken as every other branch of the government now. >> ed: liam, you think the system is broken or some sour grapes but democrats because they're not in power? >> it's a reflection of how broken the system is. if you hear the rhetoric from the democrats how this is the end of the world, this huge impact -- what is broken is if the supreme court in one pick on the supreme court is going to bring down our system,

i think the nominee's going to get through, and i think we have chuck schumer and harry reid to thankth the rules and putting the republicans in a more -- neil: you know, they've been saying of the president on this, mitch mcconnell on this, boy, you are hot to trot right now, so hold off finish. >> yeah, it's ridiculous. as ed whalen pointed out for you, it's a ridiculous argument, and it shows you sort of the paucity of arguments they have on their side. neil: it really is your sand box if you're the party in power. you realize that glaringly here. >> right. especially now with the rules in the senate, no filibuster. neil: yeah. it's a simple majority. >> put it this way, it's hard even for the republicans to blow this one. [laughter] neil: they have in the past. we'll watch what happens. bill mcgurn, former speech writer, wall street editorial board member, his read on things. by the way, i'll be speaking with mitch mcconnell on this whole brouhaha and how he's handling it and what's at stake since the president announced he's going to have a pick, and we're told very, very soon. 4

hears harry reid from 2013. sen. reid: republicans, and attendance -- democrats, republicans, independents are fed up with this obstruction. they want us to work for american families again. mr. president, i'm on their side commode is why i propose an important change to the rules of the united states senate. the present republican leader himself said, and this is a the senate has" repeatedly changed its rules as circumstances dictate." he's right. in fact, the senate has changed its rules 18 times by sustaining or overturning the ruling of a presiding officer in the last 36 years. during the 10 years of republican and democratic majorities. the change we propose today would ensure executive and judicial nominations and up or down vote on confirmation. yes, no. the rule change will make closure for all nominations other than the supreme court a majority threshold vote, yes or no. the senate is a living thing. to survive it must change, as it has over the history of this great country. oft: the consequent of all that

. >> john summers, communication directors for senator harry reid., you and i have spoken a lot leading up to that hearing today, what did you make of that culture of the fbi? >> now you had republicans making their case that and that you are discussing that with congressman radcliffe. clinging to the conclusion that michael horowitz did say that he did not see any documentary or testimonial evidence of bias in the specific decision, whether or not to prosecute hillary clinton. but basically, horowitz did say there were tons of tons of bias here and republicans took it from there. >> sandra: john, this is the fbi. the american people look on from this and if they want to have full confidence in the fbi. that needs to be restored to come up will it? >> i certainly hope so. first we have to remember what we are talking about, it's a handful of people not the entire agency of 37000. it's sad to see this department having the baby thrown out with the bathwater on this one because, as byron just said, most people are hardworking people who work to keep th

paul: filibuster is no -- >> you can blame harry reid for that in 2013 because he we wanted to pack the dc circuit so that they could reinforce the obama regulations. paul: that was for appellate courts. >> that's right. paul: with gorsuch nomination, the republicans decided to get rid of it for supreme court nominations but that's in part because the democrats opposed gorsuch. >> they didn't want to allow confirmation, you saw manchin, three democrats did vote but they would not have allowed trump to get any nominee on to the court. paul: they supported gorsuch and they wouldn't have unless the republicans had shown an advance that they had the votes to confirm. >> that's right. paul: democrats would have been a lot smarter to support gorsuch and retain filibuster for this nomination. >> absolutely, they have nothing going in. couple things, the fact that they are reacting so strongly tells us the supreme court looms too large in our life. paul: could not agree more, bill. >> personal believes for the law, that's a problem whichever side comes out. i think one of justice kennedy's grea

. >> it was the same feeling i think republicans got when harry reid said republicans wanted dirty water and not clean air and a bunch of mess. i think that when you start these types of political arguments nobody wins. >> the problem for hill he never will back down. he signed the executive order and people said finally he's done something but the rhetoric hasn't changed at all. >> it's bringing out the worst in people. look at maxine waters. how horrible was that for her to tell people to go out and -- >> engage in civil disobedience. >> no one is not saying they're right -- >> well when you have -- >> even if she wasn't calling for violence, do you understand the concern that nancy pelosi has that chuck schumer has, do you understand why they would be concerned to try to play donald trump's game is a losing equation. >> i understand. i don't agree and here's why. i think that in this particular moment when you have babies, not tender age children, babies, that's what that means incarcerat incarcerated. >> yelling at somebody in a restaurant, is there a more constructive way. >> sarah

mitch mcconnell's state, the senior start -- sorry, harry reid's state. there was divisiveness in terms of the political situation on the ground in nevada was playing out. you mentioned immigration, the second point i would make. this comes at a time in which president trump has tried on friday to rechange the conversation by focusing on angel families on friday as opposed to what the base of his political movement clearly was starting to break away from him on with the issue of separating children from their parents. look no further than the evangelical community. you mentioned the clout of the hispanic community in a state like nevada the evangelical community in nevada is also strong and when you have franklin graham, the son of billy graham breaking with president trump and the evangelicals by saying that this was a policy they would not be able to support, vice president mike pence according to multiple sources that i spoke with this week had pretty much couldn't get off the phone with the evangelicals who were urging him to reconsider on this issue.

harry reid when he was in charge of the seven, use the nuclear option to get more of president obama'sominees through. mitch mcconnell said you will live to regret this. maybe they are living to regret it now because now they are only going to need 51 votes. >> greg: i have to take issue with juan about what people did not sell their souls on trump. trump beat the competition. when that happened, people had to decide whether they were going to step forth the republican nominee because anything would be better than hillary. that is not sell your soul. it's making a pragmatic decision. when you talk about civility, you can't say to a bunch of people you sold your souls. anyway, i know it's a turn of phrase. you probably didn't mean it. i am enjoying the emotional reaction on the left. foreseeing some kind of grim apocalypses of the supreme court has been replaced by "duck dynasty" ." i saw a great suggestion. you know what president obama did, he picked fairly young women to be on the supreme court. and i do think -- i saw ben shapiro tweet that if he was chosen, he's a lawyer. maybe 55,

the president believes he will have the vote, the president started by harry reid for other presidential nominations, mitch mcconnell and now for the supreme court with gorsuch first, only needed 51 votes and you've got some democrats, three democrats all up for reelection, joe manchin, joe donnelly, heidi heitkemp will be pressed to vote yes this time in states that donald trump not only carried but carried by double digits. >> exactly right. a lot of shouting and screaming but by the end of the day this should be easy for republicans. if somehow there's a skeleton in the closet that comes out right before confirmation hearing and can delay this until january and democrats take the senate, well, then it would be different but that's in the nature of fairy tale right now. ed: absolutely. chris wallace moderated presidential debate, he started supreme court and was wise to recommend everybody to go to transcript, it's very important and always a pleasure. taxes and many other issues tomorrow, this exclusive sit-down i mentioned with maria bartiromo on sunday morning futures right here on

what he's saying is basically correct from the filibuster when harry reid decide to nuke the fi filibusterion and if it were not for mitch mcconnell at least one seat on the supreme court would have gone to barack oba obama. >> shannon: we talked with the fact he think they can actually work on this and get a couple democrat votes. we think there's folks in the red states up for re-election, manchin and donley. collins and mckowski if there's a pro-life issue they may be out so let's talk about some democrats. first, i want to play this from joe manchin and get your reaction. >> whoever the nominee is we'll look at the qualifications first of whoever is sent up and go through it diligently. i think the process is what it's supposed to be and it's our job to do what we're going to do which is no look and review and be able to confirm. >> shannon: that's sounds like him from the years we've known him on the hill. he say measured guy who says i'll at least first look at the qualification before i say absolutely not. >> the qualification is for whoever trump puts up barring a harriet myers nom

remember, it was harry reid's idea to go to 51 on the other judges.hen that happened, and now it is a case where it's easier for the party in power with 51 votes to actually have a say in a more timely fashion as to who the members on the court will be. what that will do to the makeup of the supreme court and the actual bench in the united states really is yet to be determined. but i think it will change it from what it has been in the past. and i think now there is going to be a lot more emphasis on, number one, if you have a president in power there will be more negotiations than if you have a president and a party of the same that are in power. i think you'll find it leans more liberal and more conservative based on who is in control. >> look, i think the lesson here is that raw political power can't pay dividends. we have seen it play out. senator rounds, it is a pleasure. i appreciate the honest discussions. come back on soon, please. >> thank you. >> erica? >> as we move to november, a lot of questions about the party. is it still the party of n

republican strategist john summers, former communications director for former senate majority leader harry reidited all day. you guys are beach and summer. i have to throw that out there. what do you think? you think president obama is probably, would i think the most popular democrat right now. he hasn't shown a lot of enthusiasm for coming out though? >> well, i also think really lack of vision by democrats. they're not running for anything. they're running against donald trump. what this indicates to me as well as the generic ballot the democrats don't have a message how they're going to help solve any issues in our country. this is backwards thinking. secondly, how are people going to run on an obama platform which many people from the middle states think was a failing platform, especially in the last four years? i think this is hard for them to do. he hasn't expressed any willing fess to do so. melissa: john, it is about personalities. especially when you're fund-raising, people pay up to go see someone. do you think president obama would come out and do fund-raisers? >> oh i think he woul

all of them wanted stronger borders and harry reid, stop crossing the border illegally, all of them said that. go ahead, steve. >> that's exactly right. i would add another one to the list, the most recent bernie sanders. bernie sanders until he realized that the activist and the democratic base were not going to accepts it, even while he was running against hillary clinton, had an extremely strong position against immigration being uncontrolled for the economic reason that it undermines american workers and their wages and job opportunities. so it's completely hypocrite call. of course there's a serious problem here. as many people have said, the answer is to get together, to work together, to figure out finally a reform to this system that protects the border as well as protecting families and children. that's what everyone wants to see. democrats want it as a political issue. they want to fight the politics. >> liz: thank you for coming on the show. be sure to catch "the next revolution"p.m. eastern time. more out-of-control rhetoric as the fire storm continues. baron trump was target

national political director for the aclu and advisor to harry reid and share lynn isle president of the naacp legal fund. all right, ron, you wrote a piece a few months ago that basically said republicans think the next supreme court nomination fight will help them. that's wrong. what's your case? >> here's my case. justice kennedy was not the swing vote on the supreme court for 31 years due to some kind of immaculate conception. it happened because a super popular republican president, ronald reagan, named an eminently well dedrengsed judge, robert bork to the supreme court and democrats fought like hell. they fought an uphill battle and in the end, they held their people, they won over six republicans and they beat bork and president reagan had to put tony kennedy on the supreme court. democrats have to fight just as hard, even harder right now as if the constitution was at stake because it is. if they make this about rowe and take this fight to susan collins and lisa murkowski, they can beat trump's nominee. >> share lynn, you're nodding. >> i'm nodding my head because this is no tim