i had a wonderful teacher in high school, name was hartford steele, and he made civics come alive. it was the study of government and politics. i looked forward to going to his classes. and so, that's where it came from, and always after that i had some little thing around that i was reading or something, whether i was overseas or wherever, and went into government and politics. never thought i'd be able to run myself but did later on by circumstances. so, we're working very hard on this thing at ohio state. i think september 11th helped rekindle some of this interest of our young people. now, how do we keep that going? debbie over here's doing a great job of our outreach program. we've had a program the last year on service learning that we have worked with our colleagues at the kellogg foundation and put out a thing on service learning. before that, dick riley had asked me -- who was secretary of education -- had asked me to head up a study of math and science teaching in the 21st century. i was glad to do that, and some of the things we found there were just frightening as far a