. >> commissioners ray hartz director of san francisco open government. waiting for the clock to reset still. you guys like to quote the government guide to us and so i would like to quote a little bit of it back to you. quasi judicial bodies must afford a fair hearing, the principle that the decision makers come to the meeting with an open mind prepared to hear both sides and to decide the case on the merits of the evidence presented and the governing law. in february and may i read two complaints that came before you against the city librarian. a conflict of interest is a set of circumstances that creates a risk that professional judgment or actions regarding a primary interest will be undually influenced by a secondary. including the duties of public office. it exists, if the circumstances are reasonably believed on the basis of passed experience and objective evidence to create a risk that it may be undually influenced by secondary risks. and so when the sunshine ordinance task force found the city librarian in violation of the sunshine ordinance twic

hartz' comments. i don't know that they are completely germane to the question before us. the only thing that i would say and i don't excuse any commissioner that mistreats a member of the public that has something to say or brings something to our attention or the attention of any commission, but as an aside, i would say particularly with the commissioners, the commissioners are people. and they are humans, and all too human at times and sometimes, they could lose sight of the official role that they have to play, that does not excuse those kinds of comments or behavior and ternl, apologies may very well be in order. but i would just you know, like to say that put it on the record in terms of those of us who are commissioners and can sometimes get a little frustrated. and i am sure as the public becomes frustrated with us. so there you have it. >> i will call the question. >> we don't have a motion. >> we don't? >> i don't think that you need one. >> we don't need one, since there are three of us. >> okay, all right. >> make a motion that we deny the request. >> we can do