consultants march into -- get on a plane and fly to indiana and go to anthem headquarters, or is it a harvey keitel character? what happens on the ground? >> it happens in every investigation. the most import thing is having the guy with the one ton brain in the room. whether it is the chinese that are behind it or in enterprise like cyber criminals, you want the smart guys thinking about the new way an attacker might have gotten in. >> picturing a guy with a one ton brain. what a problem to have. >> we know a few. >> i want to talk about a serious story. i am amazed that that board countries like syria and north korea can be on the forefront of hat. -- of hacking. is that not the right presumption? >> you are touching on a court assumption we have been having for some time. it is that you can have an adversary with very little resources. they are able to take down a huge corporation. are they able to get military intelligence that is creating impact on the ground in a four-year conflict? these are the dynamics that are happening with actors that aren't particularly well known for their military ca

is this like a harvey keitel character? what happens on the ground? >> it depends on every investigation. sometimes we are on the ground. the most important thing is having the guy with the one-ton grain in the room. -- brain in the room. we have been doing this for the last 10 years. whether the chinese or an enterprise like cyber criminal are behind it, you want the smart guys thinking about the new way an attacker might of gotten in. >> the guy with the one-ton brain. >> we know a few. >> i can only imagine. i want to talk about the sirius story. i'm amazed that such backwards countries like syria and north korea can be on the forefront of hacking. or is that not the right presumption? >> you're talking about a core assumption we've had in the cyber community for a long time, the concept of asymmetry. you can have an adversary with very little resources, sometimes very little amount of time and planning behind these activities, and they're able to take down a huge corporation, cause an enormous effect. in the case of syria, are they able to get mil

career, berry levinson has directed six actors in oscar-nominated roles, glenn close, beatty, harvey keitelkingsley and dustin hoffman. here's a clip of his latest movie "the humbling." >> you know, i was thinking, don't you think it's time you told your parents about us? >> oh, no, no, no. my mother can never know about -- >> why? >> -- anything. >> why? what do you mean? >> well, even if the two of you hadn't had a thing for each other back in the day -- >> wait, what? wait a minute. >> i'm just saying, i could never -- i could not possibly tell her or him. oh, god. think of the look on ace's face. that would be terrible. it would just be way too painful, wouldn't it? oh, you want to go? get settled? oh, thank you so much for trying to help. >> i'm joined right now by the filmmaker behind "the humbling," barry levinson. we read that al pacino almost didn't get the part for "the godfather" because he had to do the restaurant scene before he nailed the part and that young woman there pops in -- >> greta. fantastic. >> so you're talking about in this movie how -- it seems to me it's about wh