and, you know, harvey mansfield sits down, and he's a very sort of mild-mannered guy, and he just sortf starts talking about plato and courage. [laughter] and i think these women were just like where do we go from here, you know? i thought we were going to talk about gloria steinem, or i thought we were going to talk about some sexist pig that we can start harassing. and i think my point is that, um, you know, so many of the professors that i had i appreciated the fact that their politics were not part of the curriculum. c-span: you say that in 1994 that there was, they could not restrict the age, well, at which you had to retire. i mean, we used to have to retire in this country at 65. it was originally passed back in the 80s schools got to, what, '94 when -- >> guest: yeah. c-span: what has that done to the universities? >> guest: well, it's exacerbated the tenure problem. in fact, many people who say to me why get rid of tenure, why not just reinstitute mandatory retirement? what you have on campus now is a lot of aging baby boomer professors who are not really doing their job very