chair harvey pitt. harvey, is there a case for the s.e.c.nitely think so i think there's a real question about whether there was an intent here to use the meme provisions that he has made so famous and benefit as a result of selling shares when people thought he was buying. >> in other words, market manipulation, is that what they would be looking into? >> i think they would look into market manipulation. i think they might look into general fraud provisions as well the difficulty with market manipulation is they have to prove intent so there would be an investigation to see exactly what his internal emails and discussions showed but in my view, this is definitely a case for governmental review. >> how does this sort of thing happen it feels like the wild west. and this is not a new phenomenon, meme trading we dealt with it last year >> it's a phenomenon that was built on ryan cone's success at taking certain securities and turning them into winners and being followed gamestop was a good example of that so having developed this reputation, h