ford and harvey proctor charged. ford and harvey proctor joins me now.rms of trial by media of russell brand over the past few days . the past few days. >> good evening to you and to your viewers. i'm not here to defend russell brand. i don't really like his brand of alleged humour. >> what i am here to defend is the golden thread in british criminal history and that is the prism option of innocence before guilt . that i prism option of innocence before guilt. that i think has been violated tremendously in the last few days . last few days. >> and i think it's quite extraordinary that times the sunday times and channel 4 dispatch is has apparently for the last four years been investigating meeting an alleged rapist, but not gone to the police. so allowing an alleged rapist to travel the streets of the united states of america and the united states of america and the united states of america and the united kingdom . for four the united kingdom. for four years. if they had justification and evidence, they should have insisted that the complainant should go

ford and harvey proctor charged. ford and harvey proctor joins me now.rms of trial by media of russell brand over the past few days . the past few days. >> good evening to you and to your viewers. i'm not here to defend russell brand. i don't really like his brand of alleged humour. >> what i am here to defend is the golden thread in british criminal history and that is the prism option of innocence before guilt . that i prism option of innocence before guilt. that i think has been violated tremendously in the last few days . last few days. >> and i think it's quite extraordinary that times the sunday times and channel 4 dispatch is has apparently for the last four years been investigating meeting an alleged rapist, but not gone to the police. so allowing an alleged rapist to travel the streets of the united states of america and the united states of america and the united states of america and the united kingdom . for four the united kingdom. for four years. if they had justification and evidence, they should have insisted that the complainant should go

first of all, former conservative minister harvey proctor , who minister harvey proctor, who thinks youthhold world judgement, and the author and psychotherapist madeline black, who says it's fair to name the accused. even without charges. good morning to you both. madeline why do you say that? i mean , i know your story, but mean, i know your story, but could you possibly recount your story and your opinion as to the why people should be should be named . named. >> yeah. so i am a survivor of rape . i was gang raped when i rape. i was gang raped when i was 13. and i think every woman has the right to share their story if they want to because i know what not sharing your story does to you. it really holds you back. and sadly, i think that the justice system lets so many survivors down. you know, we know that the conviction rates, as mark was saying earlier , your as mark was saying earlier, your guest previously, it's such a small percentage of prosecutions were cases will end in a prosecution . so i believe that prosecution. so i believe that this is maybe the only way that many surviv

, interview with harvey proctor, who was at the centre of the whole operation, midland investigation,on of innocence, the huw innocence, even with the huw edwards as well. and he edwards story as well. and he has said, you know, these people shouldn't shouldn't shouldn't we shouldn't just immediately judgement. immediately rush to judgement. no someone who knows no and he is someone who knows what the whole what it's like to have the whole society against you and society turn against you and how hard is. hard that is. >> well, look, i'll tell you what. this is all very heavy stuff. so want lighten stuff. so we want to lighten things a little bit because things up a little bit because and this i'm getting very this lighter, definitely lighter, this this is definitely lighter. is mind blowing . lighter. this is mind blowing. nasa's osiris—rex capsule will return to earth today, and it's going to drop down its package , going to drop down its package, which is a very important package in the utah desert, ending a seven year mission. yes. this is very exciting, actually. >> it has preciou

now former tory mp harvey proctor called the stunt a disgrace and called for the bbc to hold an inquiryces choose to bring their own flags and the royal albert hall specifies size limitations within their guidelines for safety reasons . i guidelines for safety reasons. i mean, look, i know the bbc thinks brexit voters are thick, but pull the other one for the second year in a row. it's subject to the proms to a blatantly political campaign led by westminster pest steve bray and his ilk, who parked vans us stuffed with flags outside the royal albert hall to be dished out to attendees. i believe in freedom of expression, but the woke riddled corporation would absolutely allow itself to absolutely not allow itself to be any other political be by any other political campaign in such an embarrassing fashion, would it? belinda? oh my god . my god. >> it was such a cringe worthy , >> it was such a cringe worthy, vom festive eu submission. >> i mean, this isn't even a flag of a country . >> i mean, this isn't even a flag of a country. this is >> i mean, this isn't even a flag of a country . thi

now former tory mp harvey proctor called the stunt a disgrace and called for the bbc to hold an inquirys choose to bring their own flags and the royal albert hall specifies size limitations within their guidelines for safety reasons . i guidelines for safety reasons. i mean, look, i know the bbc thinks brexit voters are thick, but pull the other one for the second year in a row. it's subject to the proms to a blatantly political campaign led by westminster pest steve bray and his ilk, who parked vans us stuffed with flags outside the royal albert hall to be dished out to attendees. i believe in freedom of expression, but the woke riddled corporation would absolutely allow itself to absolutely not allow itself to be any other political be by any other political campaign in such an embarrassing fashion, would it? belinda? oh my god . my god. >> it was such a cringe worthy , >> it was such a cringe worthy, vom festive eu submission. >> i mean, this isn't even a flag of a country . >> i mean, this isn't even a flag of a country. this is >> i mean, this isn't even a flag of a country . this

thank god for brexit and former tory mp harvey proctor has called for an inquiry into how so many euht into the venue. flags can be brought into the venue . well, i'm joined now by venue. well, i'm joined now by classical music consultant katie minasi, who says it's not the bbc's responsibility to investigate this. tell us more. katie, first of all, would it be fair to say, katie, that your average order science go to somewhere like the proms , a somewhere like the proms, a classical music buff is probably going to tend to be a remainer ? going to tend to be a remainer? >> yes , it's definitely fair to >> yes, it's definitely fair to say brexit is has had a catastrophic impact on the music industry and there's really no are no arguing about that. >> so it's i think it's fair to say that the proms audience is likely to be very pro—remain . likely to be very pro—remain. >> in what way has brexit had a terrible impact on the music industry? it seems to be going all swimmingly at the proms. >> well, the proms is an international a music festival that celebrate s all sorts of music from a