>> harvey weinsteins, >> well, harvey weinsteins, victim . >> well, harvey weinsteins, victno, know, i know, but these innocent men were tried by media. i have been the professor. >> how do we reclaim common sense here? the presumption of innocence, insisting on due process. what are the how how do we go about pulling back from what i think is an abyss into a very dark place? >> i don't know. i'm quite pessimistic. i mean, simply, i mean, i'll give you an example of pessimistic about of why i'm pessimistic about this. maybe is some this. and maybe there is some way for what i don't know. but you know, i'm a jewish and you know, i'm a jewish man and i was accused anti—semitism was accused of anti—semitism simply i raised simply because i raised questions i'd mentioned probably mentioned the word globalist , mentioned the word globalist, and once had criticised and i maybe once had criticised george soros and because of that i was called i was accused as an anti—semitic dog whistle, be called accused of anti—semitism . and the same thing happened with andrew bridgen . i was happy with

>> harvey weinsteins, >> well, harvey weinsteins, victim . >> well, harvey weinsteins, victno, know, i know, but these innocent men were tried by media. i have been the professor. >> how do we reclaim common sense here? the presumption of innocence, insisting on due process. what are the how how do we go about pulling back from what i think is an abyss into a very dark place? >> i don't know. i'm quite pessimistic. i mean, simply, i mean, i'll give you an example of pessimistic about of why i'm pessimistic about this. maybe is some this. and maybe there is some way for what i don't know. but you know, i'm a jewish and you know, i'm a jewish man and i was accused anti—semitism was accused of anti—semitism simply i raised simply because i raised questions i'd mentioned probably mentioned the word globalist , mentioned the word globalist, and once had criticised and i maybe once had criticised george soros and because of that i was called i was accused as an anti—semitic dog whistle, be called accused of anti—semitism . and the same thing happened with andrew bridgen . i was happy with

the media is comparing brand to harvey weinstein, because both stories were doggedly reported first by journalists. but you never should mak e. d a comparison based on one variable. it's like saying tom bradye be o o.j. are the same because they both played football. g hillary clinton to jack the ripper just because they murdered people.b >> but you see how it works. that's not reporting. that's bomb throwingd it is . and it's just more proof that we live in an era when g driedative reportinis up like airplane glue on the inside of hunter's nostrils speak of the devil. did we see this kind of meticulous search for sources and stories involving hunter or the steele dossier epstein's client list or pretty much any story these days? yet we now seet some of most thorough journalism in memory no all, this energy devoted to a guy named russell brand, not justin trudeau, joe biden orarie bill clinton. and clinton's charity seems shadier than brian stelter's feet because, you know,. he's never over. yeah i. shade and of course it happens now not a decade ago when the events were allegedl y and

so for example, if you have a person like harvey weinstein and his— have a person like harvey weinstein is— very young person to sign an nda, that is not— very young person to sign an nda, that is not two equal partners signing — that is not two equal partners signing a _ that is not two equal partners signing a contract. and we have seen the ciauses _ signing a contract. and we have seen the clauses in those ndas that are incredibly— the clauses in those ndas that are incredibly unfair given the imbalance of power. also, you cannot actuatiy _ imbalance of power. also, you cannot actually contract out, for example, reporting _ actually contract out, for example, reporting a — actually contract out, for example, reporting a crime to the police. but a person— reporting a crime to the police. but a person signing an nda, a vulnerable person, doesn't have legal— vulnerable person, doesn't have legal advice and legal advice is very expensive. if they don't have the legal— very expensive. if they don't have the legal advice to say, this is not fair and _ the legal advice to say, this is not f

for example, bill cosby, harvey weinstein, all the .t here we have four who have come _ right but here we have four who have come forward — right but here we have four who have come forward before _ right but here we have four who have come forward before charge, - right but here we have four who have come forward before charge, there . come forward before charge, there may come forward before charge, there nray be _ come forward before charge, there may be others _ come forward before charge, there may be others who _ come forward before charge, there may be others who want _ come forward before charge, there may be others who want to - come forward before charge, there may be others who want to come l may be others who want to come forward _ may be others who want to come forward but — may be others who want to come forward but if— may be others who want to come forward but if there _ may be others who want to come forward but if there is— may be others who want to come forward but if there is a - may be others who want to come forwar

for example, if you've got a person like harvey weinstein and his legal team asking a very young persongn a nda, that is not two equal partners signing a contract. we have seen clauses in those nda's that are incredibly unfair, given that on balance of power -- that in balance of power. you can't contract out of reporting a crime to the police. but if a person signing nda, a vulnerable person, doesn't have the legal advice, and legal advice is very expensive, if they don't have the legal advice to say, this clause is not fair and you shouldn't be signing this, then people will sign what they are asked to sign because of that in balance of power when we are talking about wealth and celebrity. and the thing about the law is it is controlled by wealth in our current system, and that makes it easily weaponized by these people. christian: there is a power dynamic, unquestionably, jonathan. in terms of this culture of celebrity power and reaffirming that power, it is not only the broadcasters that are to blame. i heard davey yellen, the former editor of "the son," on the radio -- "the sun," o

. was before harvey weinstein. individuals tend to be known. one knows of their reputation an, know, goes reputation an, you know, it goes before them and i naively thought that i would sort of be thanked i went forward with thought that i would sort of be thaievidence i went forward with thought that i would sort of be thaievidence i vmy forward with thought that i would sort of be thaievidence i vmy forviand with my evidence and my bits and bobs, my texts and explained what was happening. i presumed that those above him would would be almost grateful . be almost grateful. >> well, but you see, this is where i think the of where i think the collapse of traditional morality in the 1960s so important because as 1960s is so important because as i think people above the i think the people above the person who you have the nda agreement with were would have said in an earlier age, this is clearly wrong , this should not clearly wrong, this should not have happened. and we have a duty to protect our junior staff. >> but

and ijust kind of crimes and i worked with harvey weinstein and i just thought he was _ harvey weinstein hollywood buffoon, — he was generic kind of hollywood buffoon, i— he was generic kind of hollywood buffoon, i didn't really see him as a sex _ buffoon, i didn't really see him as a sex predator but obviously people don't _ a sex predator but obviously people don't advise that kind of thing so the unfortunate thing about it is you never— the unfortunate thing about it is you never know with anybody as i and russett— you never know with anybody as i and russell brand has very strongly denied — russell brand has very strongly denied he said, all of the relationships he had were consensual, it's a major story that is getting — consensual, it's a major story that is getting people talking this morning. let's turn to politics, we are about — morning. let's turn to politics, we are about to— morning. let's turn to politics, we are about to talk to the foreign secretary _ are about to talk to the foreign secretary. nimco, you've advised the conservatives and you have fallen out of _ conservat

. was before harvey weinstein.ese individuals tend to be known. one knows of their reputation an, know, goes reputation an, you know, it goes before them and i naively thought that i would sort of be thanked i went forward with thought that i would sort of be thaievidence i went forward with thought that i would sort of be thaievidence i vimy forward with thought that i would sort of be thaievidence i vimy forviand with my evidence and my bits and bobs, my texts and explained what was happening. i presumed that those above him would would be almost grateful . be almost grateful. >> well, but you see, this is where i think the of where i think the collapse of traditional morality in the 1960s so important because as 1960s is so important because as i think people above the i think the people above the person who you have the nda agreement with were would have said in an earlier age, this is clearly wrong , this should not clearly wrong, this should not have happened. and we have a duty to protect our junior staff. >

all on par with harvey weinstein , the once powerful hollywood producer who will now spend the rest ofex crimes. jennifer said that he personally never made indecent proposals to her. however, always communicate with him it was uncomfortable, and she preferred not to be alone with him. this is not the first time aniston has criticized the new ethics. somehow. she said that it is incredibly difficult to work in the comedy genre now, because you have to be extremely careful and avoid many topics, and the beauty of comedy lies precisely in laughing at yourself and at life, according to the actress, the current generation finds some jokes, sounded offensive in the tv series friends. although the creators did not intend to offend anyone. it’s just that things were most ironic back then much better and people were not afraid to look funny, but now everyone has become too vulnerable and there is room for comedy creativity. there's practically none left, by the way. i remember in an interview about my friends’ filming. aniston explained what helped the team unite. and to this day, the actors h

>> wu“ em- ema— >> it would be like it would be like weinstein making a like harvey weinstein making nstein accusation and doing it. >> i don't know if he's. >> yeah, i don't know if he's. no, it's really not quite no, no, it's really not quite the same there. anyway, we're going to the going to move on to the next story. is mail story. this is the mail on sunday signalling in sunday virtue signalling in football. about ? football. what's this about? >> it though? meet the >> well, is it though? meet the antidote to today's virtual virtual signalling footballers leading england into world cup battle. courtney lawes has proudly advocated for traditional family values and declared britain is not a racist country. >> so people are going to be saying he's far right. >> oh, he's in a lot of trouble or he's been in trouble. he sounds. i know anything sounds. i don't know anything about been about football, but i've been reading guy. he's reading about this guy. he's interesting. so he's english. he's parents he's got immigrant parents who came know, he's got immigrant parents who can hard k

they victimize women in the process, which is why we are seeing harvey weinstein fall out, so on and denmark looks like today, 86.9% of the population is danish decent, they want it overlay like tapeistry and erase history, they don't do that. >> kennedy: something roton in the state of -- shakespeare. awesome. >> emily: renewed debate around age limits for elect lawmakerses and we are taking to the street to see what americans have to say. and we are taking to the street to see what americans have to say. and we are taking to the street to see what americans have to say. ♪ >> harris: just as the story was breaking today. i like the music, it is loud. as the story was breaking that nancy pelosi is going to run again and thinks san francisco desperately needs her, there is renewed debate over age limit for elected officials. nancy pelosi is 83, god bless her. kentucky senator -- >> did you whistle? >> cheryl: not me. >> harris: mitch mcconnell is 81, he's had moments where he's frozen up in public. senate minority leader is vowing to stay in office until his term ends until 2027. 90 o

that's how the harvey weinstein scandal was broken. i don't think that's any reason to rule it out.be on a hold for now. he will have to prove his innocence and more investigating, including by some of the british media organizations that he worked for in the past. >> martha: this 16-year-old says her mother let her go on a date with him. she got all dressed up looking to look older and more sophisticated, i guess, for this date that they went on. then she says it led to this abuse that she claims happened. but as we say, everybody deserves their moment in court to tell both sides of this story. we will see where this goes. he's entitled to due process as is everyone in this country and in their country. howie, thanks very much. good to have you with us today. >> thanks, martha. >> martha: unbelievable awful story. a retired police chief out for an early morning bike ride mowed down by teens that laughed and filmed and apparently drove in to him intentionally. he was killed in this accident. that story is next. i was tired of throwing money down the rent drain, so to speak. after wa

he said harvey weinstein had been making fair trades. he was not making a fair trade. what she did, she martyred him. i read the comments on twitter. he posted the video. people said i don't like dave portnoy, but this is horrible. how could "the washington post" do this? so he walks out of this as king of the castle and he got to remind people, which is an amazing thing, how much money he raised for folks during covid when the ppp loans weren't necessarily coming through and became a bit of a small business hero there. it's disappointing and i don't think she's correct that this is the way that journalism works. she slandered a lot of good journalists. >> greg: a good point, judge. is this a rule or an exception to the rule? is she one of the bad ones or smearing an entire group? reflecting an entire group? >> i think she's reflecting an entire group. i think this clearly confirms that there is a media bias. i think it confirms the way she conducted herself. this doesn't sound like it's out of the ordinary. you know, first she tried to hide and then she denied and the

said harvey weinstein had been making legitimate, quote, fair trades. obviously, he was not.e did is she martyr ed him, right? i was reading the comments on twitter. he posted the video, and people are saying i really don't like dave portnoy, but this is horrible. how could "the washington post" do this. and so he walks out of this as king of the castle, and he got to remind people, which was an amazing thing that he did, how much money he raised for folks during covid when the ppp loans weren't necessarily coming through. he became a bit of a small business hero there. it's disappointing, and wrong that she's correct that this is the way that journalism works. i think that she slandered a lot of very good journalist es who would not have led with an e-mail saying this doesn't have to do with pizza, i just want to to talk about all the bad stuff. >> that's a good point, judge. is this a rule or an exception to the rulesome do you think this is -- like, is she just one of the bad ones, or is she smearing an entire group? or reflecting an entire group? >> yeah. i think that she

she was one of the me too original founders, if you will, in the harvey weinstein incident, and she'sdid an audio think where she questioned the timing of this. why now? why is this happening? and wondering whether there was some part of the media in these allegations, in and, howie, she's calling for these four women to come fully forward saying that in the age of metoo, you've got to identify yourself and fully bring the accusations to light without hiding anonymously. howard: yeah. i think that's one of the weaknesses in the story is that everybody's in shadows or anonymously. and russell brand is entitled to the presumption of innocence. yet he's being penalized by all these different companies. bbc has taken down some of his content from the past, and yet no charges have been filed. so how do you fight back against something that somebody says happened 17 years ago? >> and it's worth noting, by the way, here in america the laws are different in terms of, like, the libel laws. is and so for these three major british organizations, the times, sunday times and channel 4's dispatches

arguably the most high profile person since harvey weinstein, since the me too movement, what do we knowthat's 30 years. these sentences will run consecutively. we heard from the victims, they gave impact statements today. his family, his wife was sitting in the courtroom. we had a reporter in the courtroom, danny masterson chose not to speak today. we're waiting for a statement from his attorney on this, and we know that his attorney was arguing today that 30 years would be unjust, and, you know, at the most, 15 years, and then eventually being released on parole. that is not the sentence that he was given today. we have heard from jane doe's 2 and 3, and in a statement, their attorney is saying that these women displayed tremendous strength and bravery by coming forward to law enforcement and participating directly in two grueling criminal trials. these allegations from these women, they are two alleged rapes that took place over two decades ago, that took place allegedly at masterson's hollywood hills home. these were women that were in the church of scientology. danny masterson is in

convicted rapist harvey weinstein has many problems but the effort to convict him on rico theory failed and balanced strategies from the codefenders. as one explains in a "new york times" piece making the rounds, this is something where there's a question of whether the d.a. got it wrong in using rico. the lawyer also notes that a simpler more direct approach might lead to a better result, and that bring us to the author of this essay, atlanta-based criminal defense lawyer andrew fleischman. after all the coverage of the prosecutors and ex prosecutors, we want to make sure to understand these coming trials. tough hear both sides, including the valid defense arguments. with that in mind we welcome andrew. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> absolutely. you're looking at this on the law, not on whether coups are a great thing or a good idea. and i say that to introduce a specific legal point you make. reading from your piece, this georgia solicitation crime has a high bar to prove because you have to asking someone to commit a felony intentionally. that means trump or anyon

new campaign, which is rather than saluting men for salut, it's going to sayff the all men are harvey weinstein until they prove otherwise. bot9 billion off the bottom li. and then you go to bud light and dylan mulvany in thatsomeon fiasco. and then someone at dove has gone that reallye ataid that foe companies. what we're going to do is find the single mos t unlikable. yeah. on. on personable. right. unconscionable human being in america. and we're going to make e person the face of our soap. and just purelt puy by the by wl is fat liberation. good point. good point. it's called moving your belt. right. this whole this wholf beines celebration of being gigantic. >> yeah. ridiculousri so,. on every level. this is now going to get the reward it deserves, whichto is that sales of dove soap are going to collapse, collthey areg to wonder why. the answer is because they have worked themselves intoe total carnage and they deserve all that they get. yeah. you know, if. >> fat fat acceptance is a straw man argument, because no one is condemningt fat people to death, but promoting obesitotiny is ite is

i think we know what happened to harvey weinstein in america.vestigations . of a series of investigations. i'm thinking about max clifford here and others. >> yeah. and i also think, although there's no equivalence here, either, we ought to remember how we all miss jimmy savile that the that i'm not making a comparison between the, the people didn't miss jimmy savile people knew about jimmy savile people knew about jimmy savile and they turned a blind eye. well, but the point was that nothing was done about it . that nothing was done about it. and as a result he went to on abuse an awful lot of other young girls. and i mean , in young girls. and i mean, in a sense, i was part of this that i'd heard rumours about. jimmy savile when i was a very young reporter on the daily mail daily mail women reporters were told, whatever you do, if you're going out to interview him, don't end up on your own with him. the warning signs were there , and warning signs were there, and because he was a national icon and a national treasure, because he because of his

accused nick brown may have been accused of, of someone such as of, but think of someone such as harvey weinsteinat was working in was someone working in the private to get away private sector. got to get away with pretty things with some pretty awful things without consequences. with some pretty awful things withou�*epstein consequences. with some pretty awful things withou�*epstein well.equences. with some pretty awful things withou�*epstein well. now,1ces. jeffrey epstein as well. now, again, comparing the again, i'm not comparing the actions these men to these actions of these men to these most extreme examples. >> possible. >> no, but possible. >> no, but possible. >> it's relevant to >> but why? why it's relevant to use those incredibly extreme examples those men examples is because those men got with for decades, got away with it for decades, and was in the private and that was in the private sector. idea that this is sector. so the idea that this is something which is unique to the pubuc something which is unique to the public especially is public sector or especially is prevalent public

harvey weinstein, for instance. those allegations didn't come out until a long time later.don't you can use fact don't think you can use the fact that it happened some time ago as sort of justification. as any sort of justification. the way he behaved. >> joe, think what's also very >> joe, i think what's also very difficult a false rape difficult is a false rape allegation. i can't think of anything worse if you're a man to be falsely accused of raping somebody . it's the worst thing somebody. it's the worst thing you can say about a man. and to do that on such a public stage just talk about the psychology of what that might be like, not just for russell brand, but for other men who've been accused of something they do . something they didn't do. >> okay? i mean, obviously, if someone is falsely accusing rape, is very distressing rape, that is very distressing for the person to whom they are accusing. however in this particular instance, or let's say instances like it, it felt to me that one person came forward and that made the investigation. let's look for other people w

harvey weinstein that sort that sort weinstein that sort of that sort of thing .her there's a spotlight on comedy moment. comedy at the moment. >> well, one i've never >> well, i one thing i've never been comedian on, i think i'm been a comedian on, i think i'm funny actor, comedy actor, very good way of describing it. and i think that i would hate to be a comedian now because i think comedians can't do anything wrong. they can't say witty things. they can't be of the moment of news items. they can't they can't see anything because they're going to be criticised and whatever they say. and i think then there will be a lot of sexual claims coming up because we know that comedians , because we know that comedians, as know, love life . and what as you know, love life. and what gets is there's this thing gets me is there's this thing somehow that we've got in our lives now. we're having sex as a dirty thing , you know, and it's dirty thing, you know, and it's a natural, normal thing, which we all have loved and enjoyed. >> well, i think you and i will both agree, you k

harvey weinstein that sort that sort weinstein that sort of that sort of thing .her there's a spotlight on comedy moment. comedy at the moment. >> well, one i've never >> well, i one thing i've never been comedian on, i think i'm been a comedian on, i think i'm funny actor, comedy actor, very good way of describing it. and i think that i would hate to be a comedian now because i think comedians can't do anything wrong. they can't say witty things. they can't be of the moment of news items. they can't they can't see anything because they're going to be criticised and whatever they say. and i think then there will be a lot of sexual claims coming up because we know that comedians , because we know that comedians, as know, love life . and what as you know, love life. and what gets is there's this thing gets me is there's this thing somehow that we've got in our lives now. we're having sex as a dirty thing , you know, and it's dirty thing, you know, and it's a natural, normal thing, which we all have loved and enjoyed. >> well, i think you and i will both agree, you k

but look , this is how harvey look, this is how harvey weinstein and gary glitter and who else or allt out by allegations in the first place that were followed up. so what's wrong with it? and also, if he was a decent guy , he also, if he was a decent guy, he just stepped down himself while this was being investigated rather than fighting for his carry on as normal because things are far from normal. >> so leilani , it doesn't sound >> so leilani, it doesn't sound like anime. manga believes in due well this is the due process. well this is the thing. >> this is a trial by media and we're already on a very slippery slope, as he had no slope, right? only as he had no , he's not been found guilty of anything. there are no charges against him. so it's for not us. it's not for youtube to be the judge and jury. it's not for them to say you cannot any longer provide for your family. if people want to turn youtube off and not watch him and not go on his page, then that's up to them. but they're not actually even taking his video down. they're just saying you can have your up, but you can't yo

but look , this is how harvey look, this is how harvey weinstein and gary glitter and who else or allt out by allegations in the first place that were followed up. so what's wrong with it? and also, if he was a decent guy , he also, if he was a decent guy, he just stepped down himself while this was being investigated rather than fighting for his carry on as normal because things are far from normal. >> so leilani , it doesn't sound >> so leilani, it doesn't sound like anime. manga believes in due well this is the due process. well this is the thing. >> this is a trial by media and we're already on a very slippery slope, as he had no slope, right? only as he had no , he's not been found guilty of anything. there are no charges against him. so it's for not us. it's not for youtube to be the judge and jury. it's not for them to say you cannot any longer provide for your family. if people want to turn youtube off and not watch him and not go on his page, then that's up to them. but they're not actually even taking his video down. they're just saying you can have your up, but you can't yo

we've seen the likes of jimmy savile, harvey weinstein and others exposed as criminals by the media.hers, like kevin , have been accused kevin spacey, have been accused in and had their in the media and have had their reputation damaged before them being acquitted. and of course, there was the media circus which surrounded actors johnny depp and heard last year. and amber heard last year. a frenzy up globally by frenzy whipped up globally by the media trial by media in full swing. also, you had the thing with cliff richard as well, but there's by media risk there's a trial by media risk jeopardising a fair hearing for individuals, especially if the mainstream media and social media act as judge, jury and executioner . so media act as judge, jury and executioner. so joining to executioner. so joining me to discuss barrister and discuss this is barrister and writer at the spectator, stephen barrett. stephen thank you for joining me . now, what are the joining me. now, what are the potential issues with allegations being reported in the media rather than going through the police and the

i mean, if you look back at 2017, harvey weinstein more and more we're finding that they are being helds it's too late because this has been going so long. you been going on for so long. you know, like i said, this is systematic with claims systematic with these claims against brand. they go against russell brand. they go back to and think people back to 2006 and think people are saying , back to 2006 and think people are saying, oh, back to 2006 and think people are saying , oh, you know, are saying, oh, well, you know, he's completely now. are saying, oh, well, you know, he's thispletely now. are saying, oh, well, you know, he's this wellness now. are saying, oh, well, you know, he's this wellness guru. now. are saying, oh, well, you know, he's this wellness guru. he's. he's this wellness guru. he's got account got this youtube account where he, know, million he, you know, with 11 million followers or whatever, where he promotes ways of living and stuff, almost like cult. stuff, it's almost like a cult. but being good person now but being a good person now doesn't absolve if doesn't a