corleone of the cia and then you have okc and an amazing cast the characters all the way up to gina haskell the first woman to run the cia. the book focuses a lot on the relationship between the president and the cia director it's almost an impossible balancing act for a cia director because he or she have to tell the president a hard truth will also keeping the president's ear that is a tough challenge in the best of times and in the current times is practically mission impossible. >> i saw the call me from over the weekend? but it's one of the things that the relationship is generally and how much harder it was under trump. so going down outline a little bit, is the worst relationship? i think i know you will say who has the best? >> and that is a fascinating character to me who is a brilliant guy and on the ideological spectrum he left to joke about the fact he was president for students of mccarthy and 68 and with the vietnam war because he thought it was winnable and we were not doing enough to the clinton and where is he would like when water is was to me the clinton's just is not lik

having a sort of relationship with you but in the book you indicate to a certain extent director haskell has had to keep you at a distance because of your role as a fighter with the president in the political sphere. what is the cost of your political activism and does that stop you offering advice and was that a trade-off worth making? >> i know the white house announced they were revoking my clearances. i still have my security clearances because there was no basis whatsoever to revoke them and all directors maintained clearances for the benefit of the government so as you point out whether it is jean haskell or others want to talk to me about my experience when i was director and how i interacted with certain officials or my perspectives on certain issues, they can talk to me to get that information but donald trump issued a directive prohibiting them from discussing or sharing any classified information with me so although i maintain my security clearances, they are prohibited from discussing anything classified with me and so therefore it has certainly inhibited the agency. they hav

since gina haskell was confirmed as cia director i had one meeting with her and she invited know cia headquarters to thank me for my support for her nomination and that was the last time i ever heard from gina unfortunately. >> in this book, to prepare this book the cia did not let you have access to your files as director our presumably other work product from earlier in your career. how much of a challenge was that to sort of put that together and there are some times in this narrative where the reader would want more detail and how much of that is withheld because it's classified and you can't share it or how much is withheld because they wouldn't let you access your notes? >> i think it's a combination of the two first of all, i have a life long obligation to honor my security requirements as far as protecting classified information and sources and methods. so, even if i had access toy classified files i still would have had to some the manuscript to cia to review it for classified information, and i did that with the manuscript and 134 areas where the cia asked me to change some

is jean haskell doing a good job, is the cia during the best they can in these unusual situations to deliver intelligence to the white house on china or russia or whatever else is challenged? >> i think this is an exceptionally challenging time there it's jean haskell or the new cia officer because it is clear we have somebody in the white house, donald trump, who has disregarded the importance of the intelligence mission and the work across the board. i would like to think that my colleagues are continuing to do the great work that they've done since the cia began back in the 1940s to break through and ensure that they are working every day to keep their fellow citizens safe. i think that it is incumbent upon them to do this irrespective of whether or not donald trump pays attention to the work but at the same time, i'm sure that it's very demoralizing to them that the person that really should be seeing this to the intelligence they provide is ignoring it and so the cia and other communities will be very resilient it's the rank-and-file and even if the leaders are not doing what th

. >> that's josh haskell reporting. a possible safety, you has stopped testing of a covid-19 antibody therapy. the eli lilly study has been put on hold over an unspecified concern. eli lilly is working on a therapy similar to a treatment president trump received after he was skgs diagnosed. a temporary halt by johnson & johnson following an unexplained illness of one of the participants in the study. now abc 7 news anchor dion lim has a look at a bay area connection in the race for a covid treatment. >> reporter: researchers at stanford were just days away from joining the trial of a promising covid vaccine candidate. then came word that manufacturer johnson & johnson is pausing the study after a participant became sick after an unexplained illness. now comes the challenge of figuring out why. >> they'll need to do follow-up, lab tests, alcoholism clinical . we just don't know what the issue is. >> reporter: an infectious disease ex personality at stanford. although she's not directing the trial, she says the interrupti

and he ought to do the same thing wit -- with gina haskell t the cia. thank good for ric grenell starting to declassify and giving us some answers. judge jeanine: the whole thought of having information that would assist the president if they went in their star chamber to impeach the president. and they wouldn't let half of the house in on the information they were getting. it was all secret, and for the fbi to have this laptop, i wonder if the jim comey deep state clan is still in there and how long it will take to clean them out. but let me talk about joe biden. his being a point man on energy and the ukraine. his going into the ukraine and admitting that he told them they wouldn't get a billion dollars of american money unless a prosecutor investigating his son's company was fired, that's clear corroboration wouldn't you say of the emails that are on the biden -- hunter biden laptop that haven't been confirmed absolutely. but it seems to confirm them. >> you understand that and i understand that. but i with us reading today that "the washington post"

and he ought to do the same thing wit -- with gina haskell t the cia. thank good for ric grenell starting to declassify and giving us some answers. judge jeanine: the whole thought of having information that would assist the president if they went in their star chamber to impeach the president. and they wouldn't let half of the house in on the information they were getting. it was all secret, and for the fbi to have this laptop, i wonder if the jim comey deep state clan is still in there and how long it will take to clean them out. but let me talk about joe biden. his being a point man on energy and the ukraine. his going into the ukraine and admitting that he told them they wouldn't get a billion dollars of american money unless a prosecutor investigating his son's company was fired, that's clear corroboration wouldn't you say of the emails that are on the biden -- hunter biden laptop that haven't been confirmed absolutely. but it seems to confirm them. >> you understand that and i understand that. but i with us reading today that "the washington post"

and he ought to do the same thing wit -- with gina haskell t the cia. thank good for ric grenell starting to declassify and giving us some answers. judge jeanine: the whole thought of having information that would assist the president if they went in their star chamber to impeach the president. and they wouldn't let half of the house in on the information they were getting. it was all secret, and for the fbi to have this laptop, i wonder if the jim comey deep state clan is still in there and how long it will take to clean them out. but let me talk about joe biden. his being a point man on energy and the ukraine. his going into the ukraine and admitting that he told them they wouldn't get a billion dollars of american money unless a prosecutor investigating his son's company was fired, that's clear corroboration wouldn't you say of the emails that are on the biden -- hunter biden laptop that haven't been confirmed absolutely. but it seems to confirm them. >> you understand that and i understand that. but i with us reading today that "the washington post"

i would give more confidence had in the director of the cia, gina haskell or fbi director wray.ear from. >> we know foreign adversaries try to exploit social media platforms. this time google is saying approximately 25,000 emails were sent to gmail users. what do you want tech companies to do to try to prevent this kind of malice we saw in these fake emails from the proud boys? >> this is a tricky one, let's face it. if we didn't like the things that were coming out of the printing presses that guttenberg invented, we might say let's burn all the printing presses. we don't want to shut down all the social networks. they're powerful engines but we need google, facebook, all the social nets, all of them, to monitor content. when they see hate speech, that should come down as surely as child pornography should. they can find their way to this. it's not an on and off switch of total free speech or shut down the internet. we've got to dial that in. it needs to be a little closer, little better control. i feel they're moving in that direction in a measured way. >> quickly, if you coul

what our sources are hearing inside the white house is that the president plans to fire gina haskellesper over at defense. so three so crucial to national security. they'll be doing this immediately. there's a great deal of distrust among -- about those three for different reasons and then after that, there's going to be an overall review of who's going to stay and who isn't. now, one name that has been in the news a lot attorney general general barr. he's not immediately on the chopping block. the president obviously is frustrated, he suggested that on air. but barr appears not to be part of the first three that would be shown the door should president trump win re-election. kasie? >> do you have any -- i mean, the christopher wray stuff has been pretty well documented but as far as the other two officials, i mean, what's driving that? >> well, with haspel there's a concern she's slow walking some of the intelligence releases, so haspel came in, she wasn't a partisan person. she becomes the first female cia director. gets senate confirmed but there's some suspicion about her inside

curator barbara haskell. >> this show proves that the mexican artists had the most profound influencer exceeding the french during these two decades. >> brown: the most? >> absolutely the most. they allowed american artists to get a new conception of what art was, that it was something social, that it wasn't just about form and color, that it really had to relate to people's lives and to tell stories that were accessible and modern. >> brown: diego rivera famously created a 27-panel mural in the courtyard of the detroit institute of arts, funded by edsel ford. jose clemente orozco received his first u.s. commission in 1930, at pomona college in california. he painted a dramatic image of the greek titan prometheus. nothing like it had been seen in the states, and his work caught the eye of a young jackson pollock. jackson pollock sees this-- >> and he changes his work. >> brown: pollock also attended a workshop in new york led by david alfaro siquieros, who encouraged unconventional techniques. >> doing things like, they would put canvas on the floor and throw paint splatter paint on i

at the top of trump's immediate to go list is fbi director chris wray as well as cia director gina haskelld mark esper. he would have fired both already, one official said, if not for the political headaches of acting before november 3rd. it's another norm dismantled and another advantage to russia, which has long benefitted from trump's america, one where alliances and values are shredded. "the washington post" writes this that trump has been a gift to putin. we're back with tim o'brien and former senator claire mccaskill. claire, for all of the sort of angst that trump creates among national security officials and alumni, this decapitation of the country's defense department, premier intelligence agency, that hasn't been corrupt bid mr. raf cliff and top law enforcement agency seems the most alarming and aggressive. my question to you is what stops him from doing this even if he loses? >> well, nothing. but it would be very short lived because clearly anybody that he fires or tries to hire, i do not see the senate confirming anyone to a trump administration in the last two months of the

the cia director jenna haskell has been blocking declassification, she does not want the spotlight on, what can you tell us about that because as i understand it this is a small portion what john ratcliffe we wanted to declassify. there's more, is there more coming? >> well, there should be more coming. you know the person who doesn't want this to come out is probably hillary clinton and adam schiff because what have they taken this america through? we are finding hillary clinton campaign created this, adam schiff propelled it even though underlying facts prove that the president knew about it, obama, the cia knew about it and the fbi knew about it and they withheld that information from the house and the senate, nobody in congress has ever seen this information. this is the biggest news because of everything that's going on that the public has not seen yet and this is -- this should drive every member of congress to go get the underlying information that john ratcliffe made transparent to the world. maria: during the hearing, former fbi director james comey saying the bombshell relea

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director christopher wray, gina haskell and others mark esper from defense. is that true? say anything about that. that's not my lane. no comment on that. >> sandra: final thoughts if i can ask you the red and blue states of recovery. joe biden's k-shaped economy is made in the lockdown state. not sure if you had a chance to read that yet. a lot of talk about k-shaped recovery, v-shaped recovery. you said to me a moment ago and it stuck with me you don't think the president needs to lay out a detailed plan ahead of election day. do you think there might be growing pressure on the president to do so considering how important that is in this election? what, for example, are you forecasting for economic growth in a second president trump term? >> well, look, all right, there is a lot of hits there. first of all let me say on the question of a detailed plan we are working carefully to back up the president's promises for an additional middle class tax cut as well as to maintain business tax cuts permanently offshoring tax incentives, infrastructure and so forth. also more dere