haskins -- dr. haskins, i've been following some of your work with your colleague isabel sawhill at brookings. and i'm intrigued by something i want to quote back to you. and that is you said that if families follow three basic rules, that they are virtually assured that they will avoid poverty. complete at least a high school education, work full-time and wait until age 21 and get married before having a baby. based on analysis of census data, you conclude that if all three of these rules, people follow all three of these rules had only a 2% chance of being in poverty, and a 72% chance of joining the middle class. conversely, these numbers for those people who violated all three rules would elevate their chance of being poor to 77% and reduce their chance of making the middle class -- making it to the middle class to 4%. so if it's that clear that those three things would be -- raise the likelihood of success of people leaving poverty and joining the middle class, what can the federal government do

haskins. when i was privileged to be governor of delaware and involved in the national governors association, this issue, he was one of the top advisors for us in the house and frankly as governors as well. i appreciate very much the great work that you've done, continue to do. i welcome our other two witnesses as well. i still have the chance to go into schools all over my state, i'm sure my colleagues visit schools throughout their states. i like to do assemblies in high schools and sometimes when i do, in middle schools as well, and i'll mention this to them, that if a young woman age 16 becomes pregnant, drops out of school, does not marry the father of her child, there's an 80% likelihood that they will live in poverty. if that same 16-year-old girl does not become pregnant, graduates high school, waits until at least 20 to have a child and ends up marrying the father of her child, there's an 8% likelihood they will live in poverty. those were numbers from probably a decade or so ago but

haskins. >> thank you, mr. chairman. ranking member, and members of the committee, thank you for inviting me and it is a privilege to testify before the committee. i want to talk about four issues in five minutes, and that makes me an issue a minute man. >> okay. we are going the time you, too. >> you are going to what? >> i am teasing you. i said we are going to time you and hold you to it, too. no, now, don't you worry. >> i will get the 30 seconds of exchange back. >> yes. >> and the we will talk about the exchanges of poverty and what to do about it. one, the trends in poverty and i included a figure in the testimony that to me has two big surprises in them. one is that we have made virtually no progress against poverty since 1975 despite the fact that we are spending a ton more money and the poverty rate in elderly in most societies is not lower than for children, and those are two exceptionally important facts that we have to buckle down to figure out what to do with poverty and especially concentrate on the childr

ron haskins, co-director of the center on children and families at the brookings institution. dr. laura lein, the dean of school social work at the university of michigan. and kay brown, director of income security at the united states government accountability office. thank you all very much for taking the time to testify to senator hatch having very important and we look forward to your testimony. we encourage you to be candid, forthcoming and direct in your five, six statements statements but your prepared remarks will automatically be included in the record. why don't you begin. >> thank you, mr. chairman. members of the committee, thank you very much for inviting me. it's a great privilege to testify before this committee. i want to talk about four issues in five minutes. that makes me an issue a minute man. >> you got it. we're going to time you, too. >> what? >> i'm just teasing you. i said we're going to time you and hold you to that, too. >> okay. >> go ahead. you can say whatever you want to say. >> i get this 30 seconds back. poverty trends i'll talk about, spending on

haskins.r. laura lein and kay brown. that all of you for taking the time. i was going to act on something important relative to your testimony. i encourage you to be forthcoming and direct in five periods yours remarks will automatically be included in the record -- i encourage you to be forthcoming and direct in five or six minutes. your remarks will automatically be included in the record. dr. haskins. we are going to time you, too. >> i will talk about spending in the program and what we should do about poverty. i included a figure in my testimony. it has done too big surprises in it. one is that we have made no progress in poverty since 1975 despite the fact that we are spending a ton of money. the rate of poverty for seniors is lower than for children in our society. those are facts that we need to focus on and we need to especially concentrate on children. eshoo to -- issue two, we spend money on means tested programs. the idea that we are not spending enough money is probably incorrect.

today a jury decided john haskin's fate. >> matt jablow is joining us with the details. >> reporter:s one of those stories that leaves you wondering why. a buoy resident killed in cold blood during a small-time robbery in his own home. it's a case that even veteran prosecutors found extremelydisturbing. >> it's horrific. >> reporter: today, the case was closed. >> and this defendant is facing life, plus 60 years. >> reporter: it was july 12th of last year when craig brooks posing as a pepco employee came to the buoy home of 44-year-old david williams. brooks walked all around the house talking about various electrical issues, but in fact he was casing the joint. the next day he came back to the house with his codefendant, and this time they tied williams up, shot him to death and robbed the place. >> they picked up everything they could find, money, coins, children's videos. >> reporter: brooks pleaded guilty last month. today after 2 1/2 hours of deliberations a jury convicted hastin of first degree murder. >> they could have just taken the property but they chose to kill mr. willia

witnesses include ron haskins of the brookings institution, who helped bring the program into existence as a house republican staff director. join us live at 10:00 eastern here on c-span3. both chambers of congress return to session this week. the house is completing work on 2013 spending for the energy department and federal water projects. also possible more spending bills relating to the homeland security department and the legislative branch. and the senate began debate yesterday on a bill aimed at combating gender-based wage discrimination. to hear more about this legislation we spoke with a capitol hill reporter. >> niels lesniewski is congressional quarterly editor. harry reid has scheduled a procedural vote dealing with gender-based pay discrimination. what would the bill do and what can we expect as outcome as the lawmakers go to vote? >> the bill, broadly speaking, would provide new tools for women who believe that they've been victims of gender-based pay discrimination. one of the specific components of the measure, which could affect a lot of people is that it would prohibit

witnesses today include ron haskins of the brookings institution. he helped to bring the program into existence as a house republican staff director. senator max baucus will chair the hearing as it gets under way in a couple of moments. >>> room will come to order. robert kennedy once said, as long as there is plenty, poverty is evil. nearly 50 million americans are currently living in poverty. that includes 16 million children. in 2009 more than 31% of working families were in poverty. that's more than 10 million people. our safety net is designed to give those in poverty a fighting chance. temporary assistance for needy families or tochb is one of those bedrocks. tanf gives people access to job training and education, and it helps fight the evil of poverty. today we will look at tanf and the new challenges facing american in poverty. until the 1996 reform law welfare was open ended. but through reform congress gave the system direction. it now focuses on jobs and promotes self-sufficiency, figuratively speaking it aims to teach people to fish. tan

so here to my left, ron haskins is a senior fellow in economic studies at brookings. many of you know his distinguished career know welfare reform when he worked on capitol hill in the 1990s and he's been balancing as the welfare reform attempted to do, his concern for fiscal restraint and care which is concern for the nation's neediest and for his economic future and that continues to be the theme of much of his work recently. to my right is david warren which, as many of you know is one of the most innovative and dynamic defense companies in the country today. david's been good enough to join us on previous bookings, vents e is specially related to the future of the defense industrial base and his perspective is extremely informative because for one thing he works for a company that's been innovative and trying to help protect our country with more economical means in many cases. so he's a voice that's willing to consider various kinds of pickal restraint, but still, i'll let him speak for himself in terms of how to make the country be strong. to my far right is ste

. >> bill: he still haskins 40% to 43% that love him even the left wing has been asking. >> some of them. >> bill: you say his parents were communists. the president's parents were communists how do you know that? >> both of his parents are on record as being sympathetic to the communist cause. >> bill: his father was a reprobate who just ran around and doing what he wanted. impregnating women saying he wasn't married when he was. having multiple wives on multiple continents. he is not even worth talking about. >> active in the social movement in kenya. >> fine. this guy, i don't think -- i think he is beneath contempt. the mother was a different story. she was a hippy, right? >> she was a hippy, but she aattended a communist church. >> bill: what church was that? >> literally called? >> literally called the little red church. >> bill: not because it was painted red. >> communist church. she was very close friends with obama's ideological mentor and ideological father frank marshall davis who was one of the most prominent communist of the 1950s. >> bill: your theory is barack obama, litt

. >> sergeant dan haskins is a veteran of the secure housing unit. >> out of sight, out of mind. the outside world, out of sight, out of mind. they don't -- probably don't want to know what goes on in here. >> the population of the shu lives on 23-hour lockdown. leaving their cells only for showers and solitary recreation. >> some people will tell you that segregation unit is not the place for people with mental illness because we didn't design that particular unit for treatment. particularly for mental health treatment. we just didn't anticipate us having the numbers we have and going the way it's gone. >> although acute cases are referred to the psychiatric unit at a neighboring correctional institution, the staff in the shu deal with a variety of mental behaviors. >> there are those that are dangerous people, that you have to be very cautious of when you interact with them. >> inmate douglas mccombs, who is serving time for burglary, has spent three months in the security housing unit at wabash. >> since he's been inside the shu, he's been in a stripped cell. when you see a of

bob haskins is a single fellow of economics at brookings. he worked on capitol hill in the 1990's in welfare reform. he has always been balancing his concerns for fiscal restraint in care with his concern for our nation's neediest and for its economic future. that continues to be the theme of much of his work recently. to my right is david warren, one of the most innovative and dynamic defense companies in the u.s. today. david has been good enough to join us on previous events on the future of the defense industrial base. his perspective is extremely informative. he works for a company that has been innovative and trying to help our country with more economical means. he is a voice that is willing to consider various kinds of fiscal restraint, but i will let him speak for himself and put that in perspective in terms of how to make sure our country stay strong in the process. to the far right is steve bell, who has been in washington for a while. is the right hand of senator deminici.sh he has been one of the most effective american statesma

show you a portion of that hearing from this morning beginning with the opening statement of ron haskins of the brookings institution who helped bring the program into existence as a house republican staff director. >> thank you, mr. chairman. chairman bachus, ranking member hatch and members of the committee, thank you for allowing me to testify before this committee. an issue a minute. >> you got it. >> we are going to time you, too. [laughter] >> you are going to what? >> i am going to tease you. i said we are going to time you and hold you to that. don't worry. >> take it all back. i am going to talk about major causes of boston and then what we should do about poverty. issue one, the trends in poverty. i included a figure in my testimony that to me has two big surprises. one is we made virtually no progress in poverty since 1985 despite the fact we are spending a ton more money. the poverty among the elderly is lower than for children in our society. so those are two exceptionally important facts. we need to buckle down and figure out what to do about poverty and we ought to especia