haskins. i've been following the arguments that we've been hearing regarding outcomes and accountability. at one point, it seemed you were saying that you would measure success by graduation, jobs, wages and then you went on to put a value, i think you threw out $50,000. in terms of income. and i guess what i found myself thinking is that when we're talking about educating in an educated citizenry, must we put an income, a wage value on it? understanding, of course, there are many occupations and roles and services that our states and our federal government needs that there's just not a real big value income placed on it. you weren't saying that there's not success if you fail to make after attending college in graduating "x" number of dollars, did you? >> i don't think -- oh, sorry. i don't think i was the one that said it. i was the one saying be no measures bah i don't want accountability. i do want accountability. but it does bring up an important point. we're not actually -- doesn't seem