we will begin with hassan abbas giving a report for ten minutes or so. after that, we have our two panelists say a few words about the report. i will come back to hassan abbas if he has any response to what was set on the panel and make sure we have ample time for intervention from the floor. i also request members who say anything from the floor if they want. let me join in congratulating you for this report. the number of activities which are ongoing on the future of pakistan seems to be the flavor of the day. so projections and predictions and forecasts which i am part of myself as well. this is the most comprehensive and holistic product which i have seen so far so i want to congratulate you. it has the right mix of people. still i think it had a right mix of people which we don't see, pakistani and international experts. thank you very much. >> thank you very much, usip and asia society. it is an honor to be here for the third time in a month or so. i want to begin by thanking the asia society for the freedom to work on this project that they gave m

for example, before major hassan began his deadly assault against innocent military personnel at fort hood, texas, in november of 2009, there was no evidence that he had violated any criminal or federal firearms laws. thus, the federal bureau of investigation f.b.i. could not have -- the federal bureau of investigation could not have relied on title 18 to obtain information about hassan's purchase of the firearms used in the attack. as we have since learned, however, there was likely enough intelligence information to open a preliminary investigation on hassan because of his contacts with a known al qaeda member in yemen and seek a section 215 order for information about his gun purchases. i don't understand why we would take this tool away from national security investigators, especially here again where there has been no indication of any abusive of this authority with respect to firearms or other sensitive records. congress has conducted extensive oversight of the patriot and fisa authorities and there have been no reports of any widespread abuse or misuse and no reports that the g

now when pleased to introduce you to hassan abbas. dewaal had his biography in front of you, the interest of time, let me just say that hassan is one of the leading experts on pakistan and the u.s.-pakistan relations. he is the bernard schwartz fellow at the asia society is also a professor at columbia university south asia institute. he previously served as the government official in the administration of prime minister benazir bhutto and the president musharraf. so please come join me in welcoming hassan. thank you. [applause] >> thank you. welcome, all, once again on behalf of the usip society. i welcome pakistan at the institute here. once again, we are pleased to be coasting this event with the asia society. i just want to sit a few ground rules to let everyone know how we are going to proceed and say a couple of words. before anything, please, make sure your cell phones are turned off or are on silent and mcgeorge you remember to turn them on when you leave the room. and also for the panelists, since we are on tv i would ask you

and there's increased worry about so-called lone wolves, individuals like nadal hassan in ft. hood who were moved by al qaeda's message to strike out in the name of bin laden and his terror networks. >> it may be a mortally wounded tiger that has life in it. it's dangerous. we cannot keep up the pressure. we cannot relent. >> the u.s. has not raised the terror threat level. but the military bases are on alert. the fbi has ordered all field offices to press for any and all evidence to find new evidence for plots in america. >>> sony gets hacked again. plus, the desperate search for boy scouts stranded by raging flood waters in arkansas. this is "cbs morning news." stranded by raging flood waters in arkansas. this is "cbs morning news." ♪ ♪ -wee! -woo hoo. [ kids ] pop-tarts, please! [ laughter ] ♪ [ female announcer ] when you give your kids frosted strawberry pop-tarts baked with real fruit, they'll rise and you'll shine. pop-tarts. made for fun. they'll rise and you'll shine. man: and all the pens are put down... woman: and everything there is to learn is learned. man: till t

aside from ideological differences burhan hassan also had a personal conflict when berg introduced the sons to his future wife. disapproved of his choice. i fell in love i'd immediately and i told my friend about the only thing at the requirement was that i should try to find as much on her as i can get so that if she is me something in my hands again. and that was a really weird recommendation for the loss of half of his team was not the most serious consequence of the split for us. much more important was an archive of free thousand unpublished secret materials which burgundy other defectors took away with them for bad this data is a form of insurance daniel had all the reason in the world to fear a stone he was enraged by his betrayal so much had even threatened his former friend. he wants that if i ever put in danger. you would hunt me down and kill me. and he even repeated that threat a couple of times towards others that asked them about it. on december the first twenty ten into polish and a warrant for a soldier's arrest and we later the wiki leaks chief voluntarily showed up at

intelligence assets we need to use them in many of these cases that you know a great case being needed al-hassan of the fort hood shooting we had a f.b.i. joint terrorism task force that was on it and yet we. still allowed him to go and buy weapons and tell people we know in many cases who these people are and so what we need to do as you would do with good police work is we need to go and make sure that these that there is a list those that are on a terrorist watch list let's face it they can't get on airplanes right now we're saying you are too dangerous to get on an airplane we believe that you should also not be able to get yourself a god and people get explosives that just seems insane in a scene country right now probably post bin laden we know that they're going to some people that could be coming after us we should handle his intelligently handle it with logic and reason and you know as you said as smart police actions can do what we need to do you wrote another piece a little while ago suggested the headline i think was that gabby giffords assassination was tragically sadly i think was

we're seeing on the national side here, domestically we stopped every terrorist incident sense for hassan at ft. hood and now we have an acceptance at the work that we've done and i think that's really important. and the president is embracing that last night in the way he talked about 9/11. >> so indeed do you think it's fair to say that the changes in how we handle this information are -- is partly responsible for what we're seeing now? >> i hope so. i think so. i do not think that we could have made it this far and done this work as quietly as we did as a nation and taken him out as we d. he managed to keep himself in an enclave very well protected for so long and thumbing his nose at us the whole time. so i think that this is a real boon for the intelligence community, they needed this shot in the arm and with the president who has been extremely critical of them. >> where do we go from here? obviously this is a major achievement. al-qaeda will go on and will likely try to strike back. do you think that that is likely and where does the intelligence community go from here? >> i think

hassan who was inspired by the internet to kill 13 soldiers down in fort hood. so i think actually they will probably, those kind of it's will probably be given a boost by the martyrdom and people twisted enough to think this is a good idea. we'll be subject to th same level of talks. i think we've taken apart the ability of al-qaeda to cover a month and planning aack like they did in 2001 . but they still can do these smaller attacks. >> charlie: hat can you might imagine have bee in th treasure trove of the stuff they brought out of osama bin lad's house. >> a lot of people would like to get to the cell phone i'm sure. >> charlie: did he have a cell phone. >> the records that were kept there, now, they have been canny enough not to keep any records there but if they had any records there, that's cool because it's the stuff you pull out of headquarters. >> charlie: what's interesting is that there was a not a lot of secity. >> no, you're right. there was not at that moment security. so i wasn't quite as smart. on the other hand that's arade off too isn't it bec

think moving forward with things like "inspire" magazine and trying to encourage folks like major hassanke things difficult for days to come. >> nobody understands better the physical mechanics of getting helicopters into pakistan and actually what happened in that 40-minute time period as it is something you, yourself, have both practiced and counseled to. did they, in fact, build a model compound and practice in a second facility? in other words, how did this happen? >> they essentially from what my guys told me today did build a model compound and rehearsed their asses off. it's a constant thing. one of the principle things, dylan, you always overtrain. you get to the point whether you're superconfident, wherever you go and do the real thing, you're going to be tense, going to be worried. there's no substitute for a lot of training. two other things i'm sure happened, by the way, there's a chapter in "operation dark heart" which covers another unit doing the same thing. they had a scout team ahead of this, didn't talk much about this yet. the fbi had a forensics team going in with the

carried out by nidal hassan, and there was also the campaign of terror known as the d.c. in the d.c. area in 2002. the bloodiest large scale terrorist attack since 9/11 have actually been abroad. in 2002 a series of coordinated bombings in bali killed more than 200 people. in 2004, 194 people killed in coordinated bombings of trains in madrid. in 2004, chechen terrorists took over a school in russia. by the end of that they had killed 384 people including 186 children. in 2005 more than 50 people killed in coordinated bombings of london's public transit system. in, 164 people killed in coordinated attacks in mumbai, india. what about bin laden? what about bin laden specifically? what about him? of the major post 9/11 attacks and planned attacks that we know of, only one of them has publicly and officially been atributed to planning by osama bin laden himself. only one of them has been said by u.s. officials to have been even conceivably based on instructions from bin laden. that was the attempted plot last free from mumbai style attacks in europe. coordinated attacks in e

for example, before major hassan began his deadly assault against innocent military personnel at fort hood, texas, in november of 2009, there was no evidence that he had violated any criminal or federal firearms laws. thus, the federal bureau of investigation f.b.i. could not have -- the federal bureau of investigation could not have relied on title 18 to obtain information about hassan's purchase of the firearms used in the attack. as we have since learned, however, there was likely enough intelligence information to open a preliminary investigation on hassan because of his contacts with a known al qaeda member in yemen and seek a section 215 order for information about his gun purchases. i don't understand why we would take this tool away from national security investigators, especially here again where there has been no indication of any abusive of this authority with respect to firearms or other sensitive records. congress has conducted extensive oversight of the patriot and fisa authorities and there have been no reports of any widespread abuse or misuse and no reports that the g

. >> let me once again, and hassan. i think the point here was actually bringing a positive aspect of what could be done and still can be done and with someone like me and hassan for that matter always a moment of optimism is welcome. so thanks for that. i sink a few other things cannot, the civil relationship issue is a moment where we agree how it plays out we have to see but certainly i think should have happened before and that is to be acknowledged. we haven't talked enough about this but i think this is because we are talking of the u.s. and sitting in a u.s. audience this question which keeps on coming back as to what the u.s. can and cannot and should or should not do. i remember the discussion of what happens if u.s. aid goes and i remember in 2007 we were involved in a debate. this jury question on what the u.s. can and cannot do it and i think that it had reflected here the u.s. can help bring the civil military to bring in other issues where pakistan needs correction and the other which i have been saying fo

nbc confirmed it hassan enjoyed the ratings bump from the buzz.he show will fill the 8:00 p.m. slot on nbc schedule. carol for the 2011-2012 season i for one thing with the right person in place the show could be successful. >> ashton kutcher, he could fill in for donald trump. >> why not. >> hey, i understand you know where we could get a really cool hat? >> yeah, the hat worn by britain's princess beatrice to last month's royal wedding called a royal stir. and it launched a facebook page. it has about 140,000 fans. thousands of questions, is it a bird, a bow, is it a pretzel? now, they've donated the unique headpiece to an online auction for charity. the ebay auction ends on may 22nd. it's having proceeds go to a charity set up by beatrice. bidding has gone up to 11,000 british pounds that is $7,800 u.s. and ground rules, you got to be afruvd bid on this thing and at least 18 years old. >> i'm going to do it. just take the time and do it, why not. >>> carlos santana, he made waves at a baseball game, and he wasn't singing. >> no he wasn't. we're

know on our committee, having spent time investigating the murder of 13 americans at fort hood by hassane the most difficult cases to see and stop. and so my appeal to the american people is please be alert. this is a classic -- if you see something, say something moment. if you see suspicious behavior, call the police immediately. and that includes if you see suspicious behavior by somebody who is a friend or a family member. final point i want to make is this. i would like to put the death of osama bin laden in the broader context of the peaceful, democratic uprisings that are occurring now in the arab world. for the war that we were drawn into on 9/11 against islamic extremism and terrorism will not end with the death of one man. even that one man who most visibly propagated this political ideology that is a corruption of a greek religion. this war -- a great religion. this war will end when the ideas bin laden propagated, which i call islamism, lie discredited and abandoned alongside its totalitarian twins fascism and communism. in this respect, it is fitting that bin laden was kille

unfortunately, he passed away, i think, before hassan started your fellowship there.s comprehensive perspective on pakistani's future as being highly integrated. i think all the components, civilian, suppress the, the rules of law, focused on health, education, energy, internal security, on peace with india, on trade with india. all of these point to the same thing, which is a human centered security policy. >> i will send a laundry list will be part of my own failure. i will open it up. of course, we do not have to stick only the issues discussed. if there is anything else on pakistan and the future, we will discuss this. i want to ask steve, since he was part of this comedy want to say something? >> no. >> we have microphones on the side. i please would like to request people to go to the microphone. if you could just come to the microphone one by one and ask questions as close as you can. please introduce yourself, of course. >> thank you. i am an independent scholar peter i am delighted to see so many friends who might come in for putting up a comprehensive report

there is a look at some of the people involved, including major netball hassan -- nadal hasan. he is one of several indicated. next, tim from michigan. good morning and welcome to the conversation. caller: did morning, peter -- or may i call you -- good morning, peter. or may i call you steve? host: thank you. caller: as far as bin laden, like everybody else, i am glad he is gone. i just think it is kind of ironic -- i wonder how much it cost to actually get him out of there in pakistan and how much we lost in terms of lives and treasure in iraq and totally failed there. the thing that really kind of gets to me, as far as the so- called war on terror, if i am not mistaken, bin laden's mission was to destroy our way of life. i think that is our constitutional government and our economy. i was watching this thing on the military channel. i just was flipping. there was a mission over japan. i forget which general it was. they said the primary mission was to destroy japan's manufacturing capacity and to demoralize its people. host: i saw that -- it was on yesterday. it might have b

our committee, that we spend a lot of time investigating the murder of 13 americans at fort hood by hassan, these are the most difficult cases to see and stop. my appeal to the american people is, please be aware. this is a classic -- if you see something, say something moment. if you see suspicious behavior, call the police immediately. that includes if you cease suspicious behavior by someone who is a friend or family member. the final point is this. i would like to put to death -- the death of osama bin laden in the context of a democratic uprisings that are occurring in the arab world. for the war that we were drawn into on 9/11 against islamist extremism and terrorism, will not end with the death of one man. even that one man who most visibly propagated this political ideology that is a corruption of a great religion, this war against islamist extremism and terrorism will and -- end when the ideas he propagated discredited and abandoned alongside its totalitarian twins, fascism and communism. in this respect, it is fitting that bin laden was killed just as democracies are being born i

committee, we have spent time particularly investigating the murder of 13 americans at fort hood by hassan. these are the most difficult cases to see and stop. and so my appeal to the american people is please be alert. this is a classic, if you see something, say something moment. if you see suspicious behavior, call the police immediately. and that includes if you see suspicious behavior by somebody who is a friend or a family member. final point i want to make is this. i would like to put the death of osama bin laden in the broader context of the peaceful, democratic uprisings that are occurring now in the arab world. for the war that we were drawn into on a 9/11 against aids -- islamist extremism will not end with the debt of one man. even that one man who most visibly propagated this political ideology that is a corruption of a great religion. this war against islamic extremism and terrorism will end when the idea bin laden propagated, which i call islamism, lie discredited and abandoned alongside its totalitarian twins fascism and communism. in this respect, it is fitting that bin la

hood shooter major nadal hassan, charged with killing 13 people at the texas base back in 2009. 32 others were injured. nassen's attorney says a death penalty trial is, quote, more time consuming and expensive. no word on when a decision will be made. >>> the space shuttle "endeavour," we watched it launch together here on "american morning" on monday, it might be damaged. nasa workers are taking a close look at the underside of the shuttle. this picture taken before the "endeavour" docked with the international space station, of concern are three potentially damaged areas. commander mark kelly says he's aware but not worried about it. >> and to all of you watching, thank you so much for coming along with me on this incredible journey. that's the "cbs evening news" for tonight. i'm katie couric. good night. >> that was katie couric signing off for the last time on "the cbs evening news" made history in 2006 when she started as the first woman to solo anchor a network evening news show and ended last night's broadcast with a montage of her five years on the program. she will be replaced by

hassan was taken into custody and was uncooperative. he underwent enhanced interrogation and became cooperative. the enhanced interrogation stopped when he cooperated and that is when he gave the mother lode of information about al- committee. the most important information. senator mccain knows because he is briefed -- been briefed that there were never used in intelligence. there were used to take a nahyan cooperative detainee and state -- bring him to a state of cooperation. they ask questions to test whether the detainee was resisting and once he made the decision to cooperate, they stopped the techniques and rybak and for the subsequent years there were in custody, they used standard debriefing technique. the idea that we got it through standard interrogation techniques ignores the fact that he would not have been talking if it had not been for enhanced interrogation. senator mccain believes what he is saying but many of the things he said were misleading. >> part of the debate, you have turned it into a dispute over facts over wha

having spent a lot of time particularly investigating the murder of 13 americans at fort hood by hassan, these are the most difficult cases to see and stop and so my appeal to the american people is, please be alert. this is a classic, if you see something say something moment. if you see suspicious behavior, call the police immediately. and that includes if you see suspicious behavior by somebody who's a friend or a family member. final point i want to make is this. i'd like to put the death of osama bin laden in the broader context of the peaceful democratic uprising that are occurring now in the arab world . for the war that we were drawn in on 9/11 against islamist extremism and terrorism will not end the death of that one man even that one man who most visibly propagated this political ideology that is corruption of a great religion. this war against islamist extremism and terrorism will end when the ideas bin laden propagated, which i call islamism, lie discredited and abandoned alongside its totalitarian twins, fascism and communism. in this respect it is fitting that bin laden w