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please welcome to the program hassan abbas. hello, sir. nice to see you again. thank you for joining us. >> thank you very much. >> jon: thank you for being here. the book is called "the taliban revival." i think it must have obviously been printed in error because i'm pretty sure we took care of these guys. i'm pretty sure we went to afghanistan. so they're actually done now. they're actually gone. >> we thought so. that was what we thought should have happened, but that's not the story. we thought that after the 9/11 tragedy and the way our forces went in that we would go and just through bombing and just through military kinetic action, which was important, but there was more space that they had gained. they had more power, and they had more ideas that we never thought would be there. >> jon: but we also... you know, we spent an awful lot of time in a sort of hearts and minds, nation-building mode, as well. i mean, in afghanistan, in iraq, ten years, 12 years, 14 years, billions of dollars. has that been for nought? >> no. that was a very important contributi

. >>> coming up here on c-span3, asia society senior adviser hassan abbas. he talks about the return to power of the taliban in afghanistan. that's followed by a book tv interview with bruce herschensohn and then a look at how the founding fathers gave and took advice in their personal and public lives. over the next hour and a half, asia society senior adviser hassan abbas talks about the return to power of the taliban. he's now an academic and writer on middle east affairs. >> i am frederic grare the director at the carnegie endowment. we are happy to welcome you here this morning and i must tell you from the very beginning that this event is co-sponsored with the organization indus. so what this session is about is the launching of this book requesting the taliban revival: violence and extremism on the pakistan/afghanistan frontier." this is, indeed, a timely book or maybe not so much a timely book. i don't know because we arrive at the end of the cycle. this cycle is the cycle of western intervention in afghanistan. this is definitely not the end of the

yet knows how this is going to end but it has raised enough questions that i am very grateful to hassan abbas and ikram sehgal for helping us understand which way this is going and what development questions are. until and unless pakistani society, pakistan civil government, institutions and the military can get together and carve out a national strategy and create a nexus between counterterrorism and counterinsurgency this is not going to end well. on that less than optimistic note i thank you all for coming and join me in thanking our guests. [applause] ..

. >> thank you so much hassan abbas. i teach at the department of -- and i'm currently a visitor at carnegie. i have two questions. one about your recommendation as a solution for the radicalization. last i remember there was a long discussion on the musharraf -- and a lot of time on talk on building pakistan there were efforts to spread this tradition. i'm not really sure what exactly are the concrete steps that states can take to change the outlook in the nomenclature within society because when you talk about spreading tradition and there are delegated efforts there's an amount of persistence to that. a progressive society probably is sometimes a national consequence of other steps you have taken and he mentioned education reforms and all that stuff. [inaudible] second is a historic anomaly. you talk about afghan taliban and pakistan's zone of comfort as opposed to the pakistani taliban. i'm still wondering what exactly was the reaction of taliban on pakistan's decision to site where the united states post 11 -- post-

then senior adviser hassan abbas talks about return of power of the taliban. also bruce herschensohn, his political career and foreign policy. next, authors join david keen of the washington times to discuss the ongoing conflict in ukraine. this discussion was part of freedomfest, a libertarian conference held annually in las vegas. it's about 45 minutes. >> you're probably wondering what i've done wrong to be dragged up before congress 70 times to testify. never been indicted. ladies and gentlemen, it's a great pleasure to be with you today. our topic today is hot spots around the world, the smaller version of freedomfest last january, i gave a talk on ukraine. that's before the thing heated up. mark thought it would be a good idea if we looked at places around the world an what's likely to happen. we have no better panelist than the group we have today. because we've got gentlemen who have immense experience working in many areas of the world. i think you'll enjoy what they have to say. to my far, far right is david keen. david is now the opinion editor of t

. >> thank you so much hassan abbas.i teach at the department of -- and i'm currently a visitor at carnegie. i have two questions. one about your recommendation as a solution for the radicalization. last i remember there was a long discussion on the musharraf -- and a lot of time on talk on building pakistan there were efforts to spread this tradition. i'm not really sure what exactly are the concrete steps that states can take to change the outlook in the nomenclature within society because when you talk about spreading tradition and there are delegated efforts there's an amount of persistence to that. a progressive society probably is sometimes a national consequence of other steps you have taken and he mentioned education reforms and all that stuff. [inaudible] second is a historic anomaly. you talk about afghan taliban and pakistan's zone of comfort as opposed to the pakistani taliban. i'm still wondering what exactly was the reaction of taliban on pakistan's decision to site where the united states post 11 -- post-9

hassan abbas talks about "the taliban revival.violence and extremism on the pakistan-afghan frontier." this is 90 minutes. >> good morning, ladies and gentlemen and gentlemen, and welcome to this session on the resurgence of the taliban. we are happy to welcome you this morning, and i must tell you from the very beginning that this event is cosponsored with another organization and -- so, what this session is about is the launch offering this book "the taliban revival: violence and extremism on the pakistan-afghanistan frontier." this is indeed timely book. or maybe not so much a timely book. i don't know. because we arrive at the end of the cycle. this cycle is a cycle of intervention in afghanistan. definitely not the end of the afghan conflict. we can hope it will be the end of the conflict but unless we believe our own propaganda, this is not likely to be so in the months to come. since the end of 2001, i mean, a lot of people have died in afghanistan. both west and afghan and people from the reason. all that was made to eradi

that we are looking at this topic, and i am delighted to welcome two experts ikram sehgal, and hassan abbas. he is the chair of the department of regional and analytical studies at the college of international security affairs. more details on them are available in the material you have. i do not want to take too much time going into the spirit i want to say that this session is on the records, but it is also a possible by a very generous grant we have received from the carnegie corporation of new york for u.s.-pakistan programs to focus on key issues that relate to pakistan and to the u.s.-pakistan relationship. we are vagary grateful to carnegie for this excellent program and their support. north waziristan, it evokes all kinds of memories, particularly in the last few years. this was the campaign that never came about that led to a break between the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and -- [indiscernible] this was something that people expected because it was something the allies wanted the polling -- the pakistan allies to undertake him even as they operated in the tribal are