comfortable level my experience most of the time with consultants they're to bring managers the same old hateer ben and the managers that are behind them so i want to go to the next generation of talk to the managers that's the second reason the third when there's an issue with an manager i want to be able to go down the hall to my staff and ask what itself issue and the resolution have information to do that down the hall rather than having to make a call and leave a message with some ottawa other location around the country those are some of the several reasons why i see value in having in house management okay that said there are a couple of very good fund of hedge fund managers there's a couple in particular that are very good and will see list out managers you know someone is spinning out and manager their own firm and the hedge fund manager knows i know those are a couple of rock stars at the firm i'm going to fund them one hundred or $250 million on day one we're a very snarling small part of the $250 million i did not know that's that's possible on day one but down the road there's a place