they decided to squeeze steven hatfill. it started with what the fbi calls "bumper lock"-- 24-hour surveillance-- and they let him know they were doing it. >> management was convinced he was the right guy. and so, as a result, there were intense surveillance-- bumper- lock type surveiance-- of dr. hatfill that went on for months. >> there is a brutal, sustained attempt by the fbi in these cases to turn or crack the suspect, and it doesn't look much like what happens on tv. it can be quite rough. and what they were doing to hatfill clearly was an effort to create pressure in the hope that he would crack. >> narrator: another playbook tactic is search and seizure. hatfill's apartment was taken apart. >> when they showed up for the raid, they brought the press. they brought the press en masse. they had them all over the place with their trucks, with their helicopters. >> he returns to his home to find a full-blown media circus-- helicopters swooping in the air, all kinds of camera crews around as his place is kind of being ran

professor hatfill thank you for being on "the communicators" and i hope you can come back. >> guest: thank you i would be happy to do so. >> host: has always paul kirby one of our regular guest reporters here on "the communicators," with telecommunications reports and that includes their t.r. daily publication which comes out on a daily basis. thank you. >> guest: thank you. .. topics include health care, jobs and education costs. from the center for american progress, this is 90 minutes. >> good afternoon. welcome. i'm happy to have you. i'm the director of 2050 a project of the center for american progress to promote new ideas for an increasingly diverse america and we are excited to have this today. for one to be quick because i know you are looking for to the conversation and the wonderful speakers have very long by u.s. and i will try to being a brief and i will start with jamal a phill with the nation institute and a blocker and journalist and the washington, d.c.. since july of 2010 he has been a writing fellow for the american prospect and his work has appeared at the washing