the hatian policeman, or what appeared to be a hatian policeman, boarded the bus on the first occasion on tuesday and according to the conversation that the interpreters heard, they said that the hatian policeman told laura silsby, the team leader of that american baptist group, that she could not gather hatian children together like this. what then followed was an offer to help from the man who appeared to be a hatian policeman. there was a second meeting with that same man, according to the interpreters, on thursday. that meeting on thursday, the interpreters say, took place in the vicinity of the dominican embassy in port-au-prince. and after that meeting, the american baptists came away with a document from the dominican can embassy, according to the interpreters. we know from the americans, the only official piece of paper they say they had was a permit from the dominican republic to allow the kids into haiti. from then, on friday, only one of the interpreters travelled with that bus to the hatian board. the hatian police stopped the bus and said the kids could go no further and t

>> hatian mafia and out of the dominican republic.s, you know, in haiti, there's other international mafias that are coming in for the field day. all these children are vulnerable. so, there's -- >> larry: who's paying them? >> who's paying the traffickers? >> larry: yeah. >> well, these organized crime groups -- children are a commodity, just like drugs. so what happens is, they come in and pay a wholesale price and those kids are transited to places like the bahamas or to the democratic republic of congo, into america or europe. >> larry: so they're slaves? >> that's correct. most of them end up in sex slavery. >> larry: david, what specifically does beyond borders do? >> larry, i'm going to tell you that, but let me correct something that aaron said. the vast majority of children who are sent into servitude are sent by their parents. they're not sold. i don't know of any hatian parents who sell their children. i'm sure that there are a few children who end up in the bahamas as sex slaves, but the vast majority of these children are

both of my parents were born in haiti, and i'm hatian, just like them. that's my blood spread across the floor in haiti. >> reporter: they gather here and pray for haiti and sing the country's national anthem. a song of strength and hope, a song they hope their hatian relatives can hear. well, my producers and i witnessed the same unshakable faith when we were in haiti. earthquake survivors, many who had lost loved ones, who had lost everything, would break into prayer and song. seeking and finding comfort. this is literally a parade that just spontaneously occurred on the street. people singing songs of faith. tonight i want to dig deeper in our big "360" interview with joel osteen, senior pastor of the lakewood church in houston. his congregation funds two missions in haiti and his brother, paul, a surgeon, has just returned from haiti. pastor osteen joins me now. thanks for being with us. >> thanks, anderson. >> how can you explain -- how can god allow something like this to happen. i know it's a simple and obvious question, but it's the question that

you saw several check points where you saw police shaking down hatians. and we said we were foreign journalists. it's their way of preventing anybody but the richest of hatians from coming across and living in the dominican republic until now. they didn't a lue the mules being hired. it's kind of a tough situation right now. >> more images while in haiti, the first two weeks after the earth earthquake host: good morning. welcome. caller: i'm a first-time caller. >> this might be a really stupid question, but i'm looking at all this horror in haiti. you have this lovely reporter. i know this is a stupid question, i hope you take it seriously. i want to know how much money she spends on getting her hair done every month? host: i fail to see the relevant vens, mary. all this horror in haiti, she's got this beautiful hair. how do you justify that? host: you mentioned this earlier. you are in this country, you are witnessing the poverty, pain and suffering. for you or any reporter out there to chronicle what you are seeing, what is going through your mind? cal

you saw several check points where you saw police shaking down hatians. said we were foreign journalists. it's their way of preventing anybody but the richest of hatians from coming across and living in the dominican republic until now. they didn't a lue the mules being hired. it's kind of a tough situation right now. >> more images while in haiti, the first two weeks after the earth earthquake host: good morning. welcome. caller: i'm a first-time caller. >> this might be a really stupid question, but i'm looking at all this horror in haiti. you have this lovely reporter. i know this is a stupid question, i hope you take it seriously. i want to know how much money she spends on getting her hair done every month? host: i fail to see the relevant vens, mary. all this horror in haiti, she's got this beautiful hair. how do you justify that? host: you mentioned this earlier. you are in this country, you are witnessing the poverty, pain and suffering. for you or any reporter out there to chronicle what you are seeing, what is going through your mind? caller: it

and my visit today with one of the largest hatian communities right here in new york.e what they are doing to try to help their loved ones back in haiti. larry? >> larry: anderson cooper with a tie -- >> i feel strange. >> larry: "a.c. 360" at the top of the hour. shoshana johnson is with us. her terrific book is "i'm still standing: from captive u.s. soldier to free citizen, my journey home." you decided you should write to get out of the army because you had problems with blatant resentment and pettiness from fellow officers. what do you mean? >> there seemed to be a lot of resentment. >> larry: of? >> of the attention i got, all the media, going to certain events, even military events. they started complaining about the color of my lipstick to the color of my nail polish, which was really silly, because these were the same things i used before i was deployed. >> larry: what rank were you? >> specialist, e-4. >> larry: you got a medical discharge, so you'll get a pension for life, right? >> yes. >> larry: what's ahead for you? >> i'm in culinary school in el paso, te

we're being told that there may be a hatian lawyer here that's representing them now. and there's still no decision on whether they will be charged with attempted human trafficking. that is the accusation against them right now. but whether this case moves forward or not is one of the questions here. another big question is, what were their intentions anded did they, as the government say, know what they were doing was wrong. to try to transport these kids from haiti to the dominican republic without proper official documentation. they say that they were doing the right thing, that they had permission, even from the children's parents, because some of these kids were not orphans. and they didn't have any intention to adopt out the kids with parents, but there are these misunderstandings. and it depends on which parents you talk to as to what expectations they actually had as it regards these americans, chuck. >> all right. >> all right, nbc's michelle kosinski for us in port-au-prince this morning. thank you so much. >>> coming up on "the daily rundown," the accused ch

alongside the dc sniper and hatian dictators papa-doc and baby doc. they say the black republicans are as bad as evil jenna sigh dahl main maniacs. how weird is it that a socialist would have the stone to say capitalists are worse than hitler? sorry, bernie, look it up. hitler was one of yours, d-bag. anyway, it serves to remind us all that the people on the other side don't just disagree with you, they hate you. they want to ruin you. that's why we should look to andrew bright bart for some inspiration. he is right when he says bullies crumble when you hit them back. so let's hit them back as hard as possible. metaphor rickly, of course. prison sucks. if you disagree, you are worse than bernie sander's under underpants. >>> does bernie sanders have a point? they are just like nazi apeasers. >> i don't understand how anybody cannot be skeptical during climate-gate. they say, gee, there doesn't seem to be warming and we tried to use trickery and we still couldn't make it work. at the end of the day, maybe it is warming, but we need to see the proof. i

rice farmers getting 14 million in subsidies so it is not surprising that the hatian rice farmers for the economic signals clearly and started by exploiting themselves and then responded by going to the cities and abandoning farming, the only rice forming that exists now when haiti is subsistence. it's not for the market. and so haiti was intentionally made dependent on the u.s. rice imports and of course when the price of rice went up in 2008 by 30% in a single day on the international market, there were what we called food riots or white term with some colleagues food rebellions, and those rebellions were obviously demand for rice. but they were also expressions of political change. demand for political change, and in fact every so-called food like it always has a political component. the news media will make it into a food right after it's happened and what they will see his pictures of the tires have burning in the road and there will be some breathless commentary on the people were just here and he won't believe what they were doing and they were trying to smash their way into ge

that even according to the hatian prime minister, so the judge was due to come here.as far as we know has not happened so far and haitian authorities are no longer saying -- whether it will or not take place in the court, the information minister has now told journalists to shut up about the americans. he said i can't tell you any more. when i know any more, i will tell you. certainly what we found out in our own investigations yesterday, we went to the village of calabas, about an hour's drive up in the mountains, there we found the parents and relatives of 21 of the 33 children, and what we found out there is that most of these kids are not orphans as the americans, in fact, said they believed, but, in fact, have one or the other or in some cases both parents in the very least, or some very close relatives that are helping out, they were never in orphanages. but the parents said, we handed our kids, we gave our kids away to the americans, because we were simply too poor after the quake to provide for them. we hoped the americans would give them a better life. >> giv