havel is brilliant on this subject. vaclav havel understands how anti-human western democratic structures have become, and every year or so he'll write an op-ed article warning us against the effects of rationalism, the idea that we can figure everything out in advance and lay it out in a government structure and in a law. havel is wonderful on the subject. c-span: here's what the book looks like. its called "the death of common sense," and our guest is philip k. howard. we thank you very much for joining us. >> guest: thank you.

george speight promoting their joints i'm just saying it's not it's not nearly always a big more havel's it is the wouldn't do it also present in the early days then once they did it's not morally consistent editorial line or. i mean quite a bit of look i think it what they did is awful but the idea that like this is a major news story in the new york times when it's what happens in a british tabloid industry i mean that's you know they're not i mean i visited this conservative les hinton who was running the wall street journal apparently is the guy who was running this i mean he was running that institution in great britain before he came over you know i'm alive if you would do something about it because it's on the legal should be should be they should be prosecuted the full extent of the question is. my point is that i'm being morally consistent i think that the light just as the people who work for rupert murdoch should be and should be prosecuted the full extent of the law so should the people the new york times to produce a lot of these three prosecute how difficult how this time w

. >> which brings us to the position in my opinion, and i know you agree with it -- we would not havele deficit we have if we did not have the precip 'tis falloff in jobs. >> absolutely. that takeses to the greed and illegal behave on wall street. these guys are back in business, back to making more profits than they did before we bailed them out. in terms of deficit reduction, all asks of wall street that we bailed out to help us reduce the deficit? zero. if you're an 85-year-old senior citizen on social security, you'll be getting $1,000 a year less than you ordinary would have. if you're a wall street tycoon who makes millions who caused the recession, you don't have to contribute anything. i don't know who thinks that's fair other than a few people here in congress. >> listen, the polls numbers, with the shared sacrifice numbers, the percentage that think there should be more taxes for the wealthy, the polls agrees with you. let's talk about the aspect of the tax code. so just bear with me one second, if you don't mind. the most valuable effort is the the activity of the human being

it doesn't require we havele to say everything fob factually correct. -- to be factually correct. sometimes those misstatements get into the record. in this case the complaint or the statement in subcommittee and full committee and even in debate here on the floor of the agricultural appropriations bill, it was asserted that the administrative costs in this program were up to 40% of the total costs of w.i.c. this is a misstatement of fact. although it was included in the report language and it was adopted by the committee. so i come to -- today to point out that the 40% administrative costs claimed by the majority are based on selected data from a 2008 brookings institute report. it didn't come from the department of agriculture which administers the program. the brookings report collapsed several legislative man dates monday none -- mandated monday none tarry programs including the education -- none monetary programs including the education . and how to do proper breast-feeding. other client services. issues like health care referrals. even immunization screenings. these were cou

that's the reason we havele to maintain, according to the republicans. tax cuts create jobs. we are in the 11th year of the bush tax cuts. the third year of the obama tax cuts that supposedly are creating jobs. where are the jobs? in fact we just had a really good demonstration last week. last friday all taxes on airline tickets expired. the republicans say that will get passed on to the consumers. no, most are keeping the money. that's another issue. but did those tax cuts create jobs? no. actually so far they have cost us 94,000 jobs. 4,000 federal employees. they hate federal employees, that doesn't matter. 90,000 private sector construction jobs building critical security and safety projects on airports across the country have all ground to a halt because they stopped from continuing to collect that tax on people who use the system. tax cuts actually have destroyed 94,000 jobs. but they have profited a number of the airlines. one major airline, $4 million extra. they raised their ticket prices to capture that money. they didn't refund it. a couple like alaska have refunde