how would "shop class as soulcarft" -- hawken utah get into politics and politicians? >> it doesn't -- it doesn't really speak to politics in the narrow sense of republicans versus democrats or on that level. but i do try to articulate at the very end in the brief sketch of something like progressive republicanism, small 'r', that would take its bearings from our share of capacity to realize what is best in the human condition, and with attentiveness to how that's very much a function of the economy, being able to find a good work and being space for that in the economy and a sort of take that as the touchstone for politics in so far as our political decisions affect the economy. so in other words, in the case for of entrepreneurship and making that bible. and i have to say that one thing that's quite important for that is health care. i would not have been able to go into business if it were not for the fact that my wife had a job with health care, and i think there's a lot of people out there who that is the stumbling block. >> you can read his book or he will fix yo