michael hayden led the effort in the days right after 9/11. >> hayden: i did it at nsa, george did it at... at cia. we... we all did it. it was a way to go out there and... and to get these capabilities into the flow infinitely more quickly than you would have been able to do had you gone through the government personnel system. >> narrator: in office parks near the nsa, thousands of private contractors-- many making much more money than federal employees-- help digest data. >> priest: this war was not a war that required a lot of tanks, a lot of fighter jets. it required information. and information flows in a different way and is... is analyzed by machines. >> narrator: exactly how much money the nsa was spending in the years after 9/11 is one of the government's most closely guarded secrets. the agency's budget, like it's work, is a state secret. >> arkin: well, have you actually looked at this building on a satellite map yet? >> priest: no. >> arkin: it's gigantic. i mean, it's... it's... >> narrator: in vermont, a reporter and former defense analyst, william arkin, spent years tr

flat out of time thank you for the illumination i think i mean this is the sort of the petition tom hayden dot org see if you can circulate it to your friends of this study it discuss that thanks very much tom hartman you got it tom hayden thank you tom it's been nearly a decade since the afghanistan war started and that's a decade too long time to end the wars and bring home our soldiers. crazy alert rise of the cyber war and the rats it appears the advantage in the eternal struggle between cat and mouse has now shifted eighteen researchers at the university of tel aviv have created what they're calling a digital cerebellum that can be implanted into the brains of rats to mimic brain functions that were previously lost so far the robotic brain has been used for only the most simple processes such as causing a rat to blink at certain stimulus but researchers are still calling the invention a remarkable leap forward in technology and its uses will soon be limitless so it could be just a matter of time before the same cyborg brain technology is used on humans to replenish or even can roll ou

up the increased bloodshed and violent chaos in that ghana stands spreading because of orders tom hayden joins me now to break details on how the pentagon's plans maybe sowing the seeds for something even as extreme as the. drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions to break through get through to be made who can you trust no one who is your view with the global machinery see where we had a state controlled capitalism is called satchels when nobody dares to ask we do our t. question more. there's no more evidence the situation in afghanistan is deteriorating according to a new united nations report violence has increased in afghanistan thirty nine percent since last year more and more armed clashes and homemade bomb attacks being carried out by taliban insurgents in just three months june through august of this year nine hundred seventy one civilians were killed and another fourteen hundred injured in this ongoing war. but it's not just insurgents killing civilians it's our own air strikes as the u.n. report notes in the month of july thirty eight civilia

that led to a meeting in my office, as i recall, where mike came in, then general hayden, then head of nsa, later head of the cia, and george tenet, and the three of us talked, and there were things that nsa thought they could do if they had additional authority. and i took that package, that proposal, basically, and went to see the president, and set down and went through it with him, and he signed up to it, but with a caveat that he wanted it very, very carefully managed. he wanted to make certain he personally approved it each step of the way and they had to come in for approval on a regular basis. what emerged out of that was a significantly enhanced capacity for us to be able to intercept communications only -- originating out the united states, possibly what we referred to as a dirty number. you capture an al qaeda type. he's got a computer or role odesk or whatever it is, his group of phone numbers, and you wanted to know who he was talking to in the united states, for example. and the safeguards we built into it at the direction of the president, involved the fact that every 30

and it was just a real pleasure to do the-- you know, tom hayden came to the set and gave a speech, and it was just great. i have to ask you: last night, you did a truncated version of your stand-up, 30 minutes. and you made a point, near the end of that, of saying, "you know, i'm concerned about what people think of me after 30." right. "after an hour, they tend to like me." this show is 30. what would people see in the next half hour? i don't know. i'm sure that there's people who would see this and find me to be off-putting and aggressive and spinning as much as i accuse other people of spinning. and clearly, i've got my prejudices and my biases. you know, that's the thing that bill o'reilly will never understand. you got your own biases that are built-in spin. and i wish to god he would have me on my show so i could say, "bill, you're doing it right now. you're spinning right now." [laughs] but i think that a lot of people just find me to be off-putting and aggressive. and then because we are a culture that-- we demand our women to be, um, attractive in a very mainstream way, that i

to the question of the tears surveillance program, the origin of the program came really from mike hayden and his people at the national security agency and george tenet was involved as well to me. there have been a conversation between the two of them. this is within a couple of days of 9/11. as i recall, the two of them had talked and george mentioned it to me, the basic question being are there additional things we can do with our capabilities and our capacity to read the mail. that would help us deal with the situation we have been faced. that led to a meeting in my office as i recall, where mike came in and generally and the head of nsa and later the head of the cia and george tenet, the three of us talked. there were things that nsa thought they could do if they had -- and so i took that package and that her puzzle and went to see the president. i sat down and went through it with him, and he signed up to it, but with the caveat that it was very carefully manage. he wanted to make certain he purse -- personally approved it each step of the way and that they had to come and back for

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that historically they have more than enough flag officers who lead these organisation and michael hayden comes to mind as the latest example and last but not least central intelligence agency puts a premium on symbolism so it was pretty symbolic that general petraeus was forced to step down from the military right on the eve of the nine eleven. turning now to some other stories making headlines across the globe libya's rebels say they're close to capturing the town of bani walid one of the four remaining strongholds his loyalists have been given till saturday to lay down their arms with fierce fighting continuing of the city of sirte to three khadafi loyalists have been killed one rebel fighter reported dead colonel gadhafi audio messages claim he hasn't fled libya despite reports that supporters of his have crossed the border into the cher meanwhile interpol has issued a red notice is for the colonel's arrest wrong with his son saif al islam the. syrian protesters say eleven people have been killed in new anti-government rallies across the country friday thousands of demonstrators appea

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general hayden did not quarrel with reducing the number of troops in afghanistan. however, he was troubled by the timing of the drawdown. specifically, the general stated he would have kept the troops in place until the conclusion of the 2012 summer fighting season. that being said, i have absolute confidence in our new commander, general john allen. he succeeds general petraeus with whom i met over there in afghanistan and have met on other occasions and who has done a tremendous singular service for our country. i have great respect for him and i expect general allen to be -- to be just as good. general allen was one of the vital catalysts in the city awakening in iraq. the city awakening and our counterinsurgency strategy are considered by many to be the driving forces for our success during the iraqi surge, and of course we all remember what general petraeus did there as well. i am confident that general allen will maintain the hard-won momentum our forces achieved in afghanistan, despite the reduction in resources. in addition, our troops will be assisted by a

that led to a meeting in my office, as i recall, where mike cavemen, then general hayden, a later the head of the cia, and george tenet. the three of us talked, and there were things that nsa thought they could do if they had additional authority. i took that proposal basically and went to see the president and sat down and went through it with him. he signed up to it, but with a caveat. he wanted to make certain that he personally approved it each step of the way and that they had to come back in for approval on a regular basis. what emerged out of that was a significantly enhanced capacity for us to be able to intercept communications originating outside the united states, possibly from what we referred to as a dirty number he has a -- 30 #. to capture an al qaeda type, he has a computer or rolodex or whatever it is with a group of numbers on it, and you wanted to know who he was talking to in the united states, for example. the safeguards we built into it at the direction of the president involved the fact that every 30 or 45 days -- it varied from time to time -- i think the secre

recalls the attack on the the pentagon and his i am probable escape out of that burning rubble next. [ haydenur breakouts... but actually made them go away. neutrogena skin clearing makeup has our proven blemish fighting formula so it clears your breakouts. now that's beautiful. neutrogena®. >>> it's been ten years since the 9/11 attacks but memories of the horrific day are still fresh for nefrn survivors. the sights and sounds of the attacks are vivid and haunting. barbara starr has the story of one who was in flight 97 when it crashed. >> dennis johnson was my division chief, odessa moore was our budget analyst. >> reporter: john yates remembers his pentagon co-workers killed in the attack. on that morning, how close were you? where were you here? >> i was standing about 6 feet inside this wall. >> reporter: and then american airlines flight 77 hit the pentagon, a fire ball headed right for yates and his co-workers. >> my greatest fear in life was at hand. always been afraid to die in a fire. >> reporter: he knew the hallways intimately, it was knowledge that saved him. >> i was reaching ou

we spoke to the nation security agency and the cia michael hayden. >> in my view, beyond the improved defenses, the single greatest factor we have going for us and keeping us safe is that we have taken this fight to this enemy, and we have attacked its leadership, we have attacked his leadership relentlessly and made him far less capable of conducting that mass casualty attack against an iconic target. >> reporter: while not identifying the program michael hayden is referencing a campaign that is intensified under the current administration. luck has played a role in the attempted car bombing of times square in the summer last year and also the underwear bombing a year earlier. both of those came down to luck. in times square the explosives did not detonate because the bomb was not put together properly. in terms of the underwear bomb i was able to confirm while it did detonate the explosives did not ignite because they were damp. jenna: we'll be on the side of luck. if there is a side to be on we'll take that one as sure. thank you. jon: other stories we want to look at again, what i

we'll hear from him after this break. [ hayden ] what if there was a makeup that didn't just hide yourbreakouts... but actually made them go away. neutrogena skin clearing makeup has our proven blemish fighting formula so it clears your breakouts. now that's beautiful. neutrogena®. i am an american. i am an american. i am an american. i am an american. i... i... i... i am... ...an american. i am an american. i am american. i am an american. voice: i'm an american. voice: i'm an american. voice: i am an american. voice: i am an american. voice: i am an american. i am an american. i am an american. >>> officials in the united states say that they've uncovered a new terrorism threat. they say it's specific and credible but unconfirmed. the threat comes just days before the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. officials say that they believe the plot involves three individuals, including a u.s. citizen who may be using vehicles loaded with explosives. they say that new york and washington are possible targets. new york mayor michael bloomberg says his city is on high alert but he doesn't

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it started late yesterday afternoon in the lower hayden neighborhood. you're looking at home video here. you can see the fire at its peak. those flames caused major damage to a three-story victorian, but everyone got out safely. we talked to one man who helped track down his neighbor's dog. >> the dog was still inside, so i went to fire department person, and they just went to the room, and found it. i was relieved. it's her dog. she was ecstatic. >> investigators are going back to the scene this morning to check for what may have caused all of this. several witnesses say they heard several popping sounds just before that fire started. >>> new details have come out regarding the fatal shooting by bart police officers in san francisco. bart police chief kenten rainy testified before sacramento law makers yesterday. he said the officers who gunned down a transient last july did not receive crisis intervention train back 40-hour course that teaches officers how to deal with mentally ill people. lawmakers are looking into how bart handled the shooting and t

we'll take youed in the search for the taliban's muaomar. [ hayden ] what's the best way to hide your breakouts? a dab of concealer here... a flurry of powder there. what if there was a makeup that didn't just hide your breakouts... but actually made them go away. neutrogena skin clearing makeup. it has our proven blemish fighting formula blended with silky gorgeous makeup. so it gives you a beautiful flawless look while undercover it works to clear breakouts. does your makeup do that? neutrogena® cosmetics. >>> welcome back. we are live at ground zero. just an extraordinary scene. footprints of one of the towers. if you have not been down here in awhile you should come because it is truly remarkable, particularly at night. breaking news tonight, new york and washington on alert and on edge as authorities work to unravel a possible terror plot that really sets the stage for our next story. it was a life-threatening problem down here ten years ago. keeping them honest, ten years later it is still a problem today. something that is pretty simple to fix. while not exactly cheap, the solu

that led to a meeting in my office, as i recall, where mike cavemen, then general hayden, a later thege tenet. the three of us talked, and there were things that nsa thought they could do if they had additional authority. i took that proposal basically and went to see the president and sat down and went through it with him. he signed up to it, but with a caveat. he wanted to make certain that he personally approved it each step of the way and that they had to come back in for approval on a regular basis. what emerged out of that was a significantly enhanced capacity for us to be able to intercept communications originating outside the united states, possibly from what we referred to as a dirty number he has a computer or rolodex or whatever it is with a group of numbers on it, and you wanted to know who he was talking to in the united states, for example. the safeguards we built into it at the direction of the president involved the fact that every 30 or 45 days -- it varied from time to time -- i think the secretary of defense, the director of the cia and nsa all had to sign off on c

the fire started late yesterday afternoon in hayden philmore. you're looking at home video here. this is the fire at its peak. those flames caused a lot of damage to a three-story victorian but everyone inside got out safely. one man took some action even before firefighters got there. >> he ran inside and went up to the top floor and started banging on doors and got the fire extinguishers and just tried to get everybody out of there. >> investigators will be back at the scene this morning checking for the cause of the fire. several witnesses said they heard several popping sounds just before the fire began. >>> president obama delivers his third annual back-to-school speech in a few hours, and as ktvu's allison burns reports, the president will single out a fremont high school student for a special mention. >> reporter: that's right. this speech is going to be broadcast in schools across the country today that choose to show it. president obama who also spoke at a school in denver yesterday will say that in these tough economic times, the country needs the students' ideas and th

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i heard general hayden, the former cia director speaks some time ago. he made a point that i believe you are also making your book that one of the things that seems to have happened in the trade mission with president bush to president obama is that the administration now is consciously siding terrorists of by killing the people they've been targeting rather than capturing the uk's they want to avoid the various political and other problems involved with detention and interrogation. >> host: i think that is the byproduct of an unintended consequence of not seeking through at the beginning or at least in the middle of the issue at detention. so we have one option, which is guantÁnamo or the other option, breaking people to the united states for trial. he also followed either of those. nobody wants to put anyone at one time because nobody wants to close it. as a result, there are people who have told me that it is much better. it is not an official statement, that everybody does there is no place to put people said they'd rather kill them they had detaine

michael hayden looks inside the world trade center but never saw neigh because he's blind and got outith the help of his guide dog. he told the story to cnn's alina cho. >> reporter: the images are sered in our collective memory. for michael hingson, 9/11 was not about what he saw but what he heard. blind since birth, he was working on the 78th floor of the north tower when 18 floors above him the first plane struck. when did you first realize that something was wrong? >> instantly, because what happened was that we heard a muffled explosion, the building shuddered and then if you imagine my arm as the tower it just started tipping and it kept tipping and tipping and tipping. we moved about 20 feet. >> reporter: he knew he had to get out. he also knew he needed help. so he turned to his lifeline, guide dog rozell, his constant companion for 12 years. >> i took her leash, i told her to heel, which meant come on my left side and sit, which she did. about that time the building dropped straight down about six feet. >> reporter: with time running out, hinkson made his way to stairwell b a

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. >> host: you mentioned the drone strikes, and i heard general hayden, the former cia director, speak some time ago, and he made a point that i believe you are also making in your book that one of the things that seems to have happened in the transition from president bush to president obama is that the administration now is consciously fighting terrorism by killing -- >> guest: right. >> host: the people they've been targeting rather than capturing them because they want to avoid the various political and other problems involved with detention and integ gages. >> guest: right. i think that's a by product or another unintended consequence of not thinking through in the beginning or at least in the middle the issue of detention. we have one option which is guantanamo or the other option bringing people into the united states for trial, and he doesn't -- hasn't followed either of those. nobody wants to put anybody else in gawp -- guantanamo because everybody wants to close it. you're right. there are people who told me it is much better -- it's not an official statement, but everyone kn

. >> narrator: four-star general michael hayden ran the national security agency, and then the cia. but even he didn't know the scope and size of secret programs inside top secret america. >> i was in government service for 40 years; most of that was in intelligence. i would never claim to you that i knew all the compartments. >> narrator: and no one seems to know what it all really costs. >> you have a congress that's not doing its job on oversight, and recognizes it's not doing it, calls it dysfunctional. so, who's making the decisions? and where are they being made? well, they're being made in the 17 different intelligence agencies. and nobody's in overall charge. so, naturally, you're going to get bloated budgets, naturally you're going to get duplication. >> narrator: it's a story only just beginning to be understood, a story about the price of security, and whether all those tens of billions of dollars are actually making us safer. >> you can look, if you're objective, at all of this money and all of this effort and say, "what would have happened if we hadn't done that?" and i

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