chairperson hayon: ok.ater on, there are all these phone calls that should have been referred to in the afternoon. callskpl> cycle. chairperson hayon: it made the decision it was not -- i do not want to say not that important. it obviously question ivory madison's decision to call the police. >> i never questioned her. >> from what you have described in your testimony. >> when i said back afterwards and here -- hear her and her friend. and having a conversation with eliana, did he ever hit you, going through an assessment and she was saying no, no, no. it did seem sl -- like something is not one yet. chairperson hayon: it does seem out of whack but in your experience with domestic violence victims, i am sure you have encountered total of some erotic behavior if you will where people are saying the exact opposite of what they really want to do or to hap

commissioner hayon: thank you. chair hur: the other question i had was about the electronic version of schedule d. >> says schedule d, the way the state constructed electronic format for the is complicated, and as a result, the way needed to complete that is laborious in the electronic system. we are actually working on a revision that would speed up the entry of schedule d to get around some of the state format issues, but i do not expect that to come out until early next year. chair hur: i am glad to hear you are working on it. that is great. ok. any other questions or comments? is there a motion to adopt 0.1 through five, with the two amendments proposed? vice president studley: so moved. chair hur: it passes. the next item on the agenda is for section 1.126. mr. st. croix? >> when we have is to clarify some issues that have been raised dealing with the extent of the campaign finance reform and ornaments, and basically, many of the changes are technical in nature or are linguistic in nature. the one thing we wan

commissioner hayon: we need to send a written recommendation to the board. when i have their proceedings, my understanding is the ethics commission will have an opportunity to make a presentation, however short. perhaps that is the time to refer to some of these other issues. otherwise, i agree with mr. st. croix. i do not think we should complicate it further. i think we should make a simple recommendation. from what you have said, the charter, if they find -- if they all vote in agreement with their recommendation that the person is guilty, automatically, that person is removed from office, correct? >> if after reviewing the charter, the charges are sustained by not less than 3-4 of the board of supervisors, the officer shall be removed from duty. commissioner hayon: that seems pretty straightforward, unlike some other parts of the charter. chairperson hur: when commissioner renne raised this two-step inquiry idea, i like it in part because one of the difficulties here is that in some ways the sheriff was a guinea pig. if the charter provision was so diffi

commissioner hayon, if you have a view as to which reading is appropriate?ommissioner hayon: i kind of agree with commissioner renne, but this falls beneath my area of expertise. my question, in terms of relating to the duties of office, my question would be, in this case, while this took place in that twilight zone, if you will, between when he was elected and the time he took office, nonetheless, sheriff elect, his duties as sheriff relate to areas of domestic violence and quite a swath that san francisco has cut nationally in terms of what we do. it seems to me that if we read it that way, to me, that still means that what he did relates to the duties of office. i do not know if that falls under the legal discussion that we are having. that is how i would interpret it. chairperson hur: ok. commissioner renne: let me ask you this question -- at the time of the incident, he was a member of the board of supervisors, which made him a public official, which meant he was subject to the language of this section. if he had run for reelection, hypothetically, and

commissioner hayon? commissioner hayon: here. chairperson hur: commissioner renne?commissioner renne: here. chairperson hur: when we last left off, we were hearing the testimony of eliana lopez. can the staff bring ms. lopez and her attorney into the hearing room? while that's happening, just a reminder, any disruptions, we're going to have to ask the sheriff to remove anybody who makes noises that are inappropriate, any disruption, i'm asking him now to please remove somebody even without direction from me. we're trying to pay attention to the testimony. you're free to do whatever you deem necessary in light of what we're trying to accomplish here and we thank the public for your cooperation in that. obviously, the testimony is sensitive and we're really trying to pay close attention so thanks in advance for your cooperation. i will ask the attorneys the same question i asked yesterday evening, whether there are additional seats that you had reserved that you're not longer using. if that's the case, please let the sheriff know and we can allow a few more people in.

commissioner hayon: sd -- second. chair hur: public comment? >> ray. this is totally meaningless to any of the general public reading it. the description of each item is to be something that anybody of average intelligence can understand. there is nothing in here. you are going in there to discuss litigation. if you are going to discuss anticipated litigation as plaintiffs, how can anyone comment on whether or not it is appropriate to go into closed session when they know absolutely nothing proved litigation about what? against whom? for what purpose? is there not a single, salient point that would give some understanding to be members of the public? members of the public should have enough information in the agenda to enable them to address whether conducting this particular business beyond the view of the public is appropriate. ethics commission staff, and by that i mean mr. sage current -- mr. st. croix -- i would argue that you have missed it completely the spirit of the law. the police commission, they give us the tate -- the type of case, the cas