here, seeing that we have a quorum we will start and he will be a few minutes late and commissioner hayonxcused and to welcome mr. king as the newest commissioner and hopefully, you will find it interesting and enjoyable. thank you, mr. chair, it is a great pleasure to be on this commission, and i have followed your activities over the years. and i look forward to having a very fruitful, and very interesting time, serving with all of you. >> all right, and at this time, i would, is there any public comment on either matters on the agenda or that are within the jurisdiction of the ethics commission in >> yes, thank you very much, commissioners. the corporate way, but the public library and don't give money to the friends of the library and i do have a graphic display and i hope that you know that on september 19, the california fair political practices commissioner in sacramento found that the city librarian was guilty of three years of violations for further report of gifts and these are laws that are designed to represent those in the public from representing the interest of those who gi

i was interested in the end of the september 23rd meeting and after hayon said that there are no members of the public here, commissioner renne said in part, i hope that the staff does not take the criticism to heart as it is not what we feel who know what you are really doing. and he then proceeded to characterize all of the public comment as accusations. and this was followed by the statement. i think they weral unfounded comments. so every member of the public that appeared before this body and commissioner renne admitted that he said that everything that they said was unfounded. and i have read you before this good government guide that the body has to have at least an appearance of being fair and if you start out accepting everything they say is wrong, not fair. this was all followed by a quote from or sorry, the chair then said, thank you commissioner renne and i think that we all heartedly agree with what you said. and i suppose that we should be grateful that you were so candid about regarding public participation and comment at these meetings. i am not. i think that it shows the

here, seeing that we have a quorum we will start and he will be a few minutes late and commissioner hayond enjoyable. thank you, mr. cha,

here, seeing that we have a quorum we will start and he will be a few minutes late and commissioner hayon will be excused and to welcome mr. king as the newest commissioner and hopefully, you will find it interesting and enjoyable. thank you, mr. chair, it is a

and this is closely followed by chair hayon agreed, and when in the presence of the public, these members are silent. and after the public leaves, however, they find the courage to speak out. i hope that the staff realizes they are being damned with faint praise and commissioners indicate support only when there is no one around to hear and so when we are hear making our statements they don't challenge us, and if there are statements about you, they don't challenge it and it can be hurt by the members of the public and wait for the members of the public to leave and then they screw up their courage and make the comments and one thing that i would like to point out they tried to make it sound like it was the staff that we are criticizing and it is almost, 100 percent mr. saint croix and usually what it is is a result of his management and supervisor style. and the commissioners, and i hope that the public realizes that they are dismissed out of hand, and most of the comments are negative is that the members of the public see nothing positive. only those who really have the grievance, and i