commissioner hayon? >> well, first, number one, the comment about holding the public inferior, i definitely would ~, not to say that is our point of view, and i think tonight was a perfect example of how important public comment is in terms of swaying a commission and swaying -- and helping to make a decision. so, i don't think that is what this discussion is about. i do have a question about the wi-fi aspect. is that something -- that is feasible since it's so commonplace now. >> i do think that it may be feasible. we went with the best advice we had from i-t. i'm not trying to draw direct parallel, but i subscribed to mlb premium because i love the giants. and the first night i got it on my blu-ray [speaker not understood] and it kind of went like this. ~ in the middle of the game. i can tell you the opinion of our i-t people is if we want to do wi-fi, if we want to do wi-fi presentations, we do hard wire. we still do that at the library, offer both. at the library, we have tons of wi-fi for you, but w

. >> commissioner hayon? >> i would like to ask to be recused from this vote as a former library commissioner. i don't want there to be any appearance of a conflict of interest. >> kind of should have done that before we he started discussing the question. >> oh, okay. so, what does that mean? >> you can still -- >> we would have to have a vote on the recusal. it would have been preferable to do it before, but i think if the commission feels like it is appropriate to recuse you, it's better to do it now than not at all. >> i'd move that commissioner hayon be permitted to abstain if she wishes to abstain. thaictionv. >> she has to be recused, not abstain. ~ >> i'm sorry, recused ~. >> i second. >> public comment? >> public comment. >>> yes. [inaudible]. because of the fact you commission operate under robert's rules of order, the chair cannot make a motion nor can he second a motion. it has to be first or second by one of the other commissioners. thank you very much. >> is that true? >> actually, i don't know.

commissioner hayon? >> i don't understand why is it not sufficient to hand out material to the public that they can look at while you make your presentation or your comments as a member of the public? it seems to me that given the many problematic buildingses in which commissions have to perform their duties, that makes the most sense would ~ without having to create special [speaker not understood] av, et cetera. i would think being able to hand out complete packets for someone's presentation should meet the requirement of providing the information to the public and having a fair hearing. >> i agree. >> commissioner, you wanted -- >> is it appropriate to make a motion at this point? >> yes. well, let's see if there's other comments from commissioners. no? any further comment? should we take public comment? if you want to -- >> yes. >> before a motion is made. public comment on this matter. >>> dr. derek kerr. i'm a little bit uncomfortable with the assumption that the members of the public are somehow i

hearing none, commissioner hayon is recused. you know, i wonder at this point whether the most productive thing to do might be to ask the city attorney -- the librarian to go back and explore whether there is other accommodation that can be made, whether that's wireless, whether that's battery operated projector with a screen. it sounds like those item have not been fully explored. if the commission is open to that, maybe we can defer the matter, otherwise i stand by my second with commissioner renne's motion. >> i guess i believe that that suggestion is not necessarily germane to the motion. and although i might agree with it, i think we have to rule on the motion and then we can make some decision as to whether or not we want to give mr. herrera some guidance a to what we think he ought to be doing. >> okay. all in favor? >> aye. >> opposed? >> no. >> it passes 3 to 1. >> okay, the motion passes 3 to 1. i would strongly urge the librarian to try to figure out some way that this can be resolved. even if it's not a perfect solut