the termination >> so commissioner andrews sorry commissioner hayon you want to say something. >> if we recommend a dismissal did that mean an employee would be dismissed or is it our recommendation only to terminate the employee i find it hard to believe anyone will implement that. >> it's our recommendation only a recommendation had we hope carry some wealthy we're not only a voice crying? wilderness an observation that something has been done that violates ethnical conduct whether or not the person gets suspended or dismissed we don't know. we've made the statement and i think it's an important statement to make. as i understand the proposal from commissioner andrews it is that after 90 days if a person did not file their form seven hundred we send a letter to the office of the individual or entity that has the authority to remove that person or discipline that person and say within 60 days the ethics commission will if they don't file we will make a determination about recommending further action against - and i would - i would tighten it up >> they're accountable and i would be

. >> commissioner hayon. >> where to begin. i guess one way to address the grand jury report is to go through each single finding and each single recommendation line by line that's fine i'm not opposed to that but i would like to recommend my fellow commissioners there are much larger policy issues that have been recommended here that we need to address. so whether or not we agree that we lack resources or don't lack resources i don't think is the important issue we need to address and the grand jury has brought before us they're making strong representations about how to handle policy, how we should work with other agencies and whether or not we should even exist or doing the bulk of the work assigned to us those are major issues we need to discuss thoroughly and we can certainly go line by line by i personally would like to put my energy into the much large policy issues that have been recommended here. >> yes. >> my name is larry bush a member of the civil grand jury that worked on the report i'm speaking in this capacity sp

. >> commissioner hayon. >> question about committees are we talking about committees topping made up of commissioners. >> yes. >> or could we appoint other people to members of those committees. >> i don't believe so. >> because we're a small commission we're limited in how often we can meet with one other and when we can meet with on other because of the brown act and the other sunshine ordinances so i i don't know how we would easily implement a committee structure given there are only 5 people that on the commission if anyone has thoughts i'd like to hear them. >> we'll take opinion. >> you said. >> we'll take public comment but while we're doing 22 does anyone have anything for 23. >> yes. on page 167 the first full sentence the ethics commission hass and the director take out the words and the director and put in the ethics commission is will. >> okay. >> i also wanted to delete the sentence this is exaggerated from finding 23. commissioner andrews sorry >> so we have here in the finding that it's say conflicts every risen repeating not a number but in the finding response we sa

i wanted to echo what commissioner hayon said as well in regards to the report itself. i think the report is an excellent documents shows a lot of work work and the senator said it's highly readingable and very much a set of instructions that many of which we should follow in regards to the civil grand juries roll during the course of any career having been an assistant dpw department head of a depended for years there were two times my department was the topic of civil grand jury reports each time each department is looked at by the civil grand jury there are a couple of responses that sort of incity council's occur one the defenseness that automatically takes place their krisz us they're saying we're bad therefore we have to reopened in some way to show they're wrong. i think that that is a totally unproductive way to address something like the civil grand juries effort in my efforts in this situation that's not how i'm going to address it. in regard to some of the comments that were made preliminary related to our proposed draft i agree with the comments the draft it

following and harassment might be good so we've accepted the agreement the mayor and commissioner hayon are drafting legislation that is similar to the massachusetts ordinance that speaks to after and initial contract that any person engaging in the contact will be moved to keep them out of the area versus going to a continual situation absent that being in place we've continue to enforce 22 and yesterday, i received an additional section from the my assist city attorney but for right now everybody is getting the services and their first amendment rights are being replaced from the supreme court on a left turner note we've had our fourth annual chief summit on public safety and approximately 4 hundred executives and walk sf the bicycle coalition, california walks and mr. stevens that had our new policy we sited after a decision by the district attorney that spoke great and a documentary and a person from the bureau of traffic bureau of public safety from portland a greg who was great and gave us a lot of ideas that myself and director reiskin are considering. that plays into what we're

. >> commissioner hayon. >> would this include the official expediters. >> theirs included? new lobbyist rules. >> yeah. i was wondering if that was what you were going after mr. hud. >> thank you, commissioner. as i recall there have been so many cases since this reason trigger the law as a result their compensations is captured the lobbyist have changed there was a deliberate attempt to cast the net has wide as possible so on outside lobbyist you make one contact with a city official you have to automatically registration as a lobbyist then the issue that's known as obligates that is directed towards the public saying hey please contact our public officials to do xyz. that gets to the expertise lobbyist that was addressed it's true we don't have a regime for that right now. so whether it's that's called for or not if the grand jury thinks to some stent it is that makes sense >> any other comments from the commissioners on finding recommendation 10? finding and recommendation 11? i also want some clarification on 11. i don't know if the city attorney actually should talk ab

there's been commissioner hayon has raised the issue where we're going to talk about every sentence in the response in which case we may be here a long time if the commissioners want to do that or if we turn to what may be the key recommendations that is, i think the public is concerned that we ought to address. i will follow the commissioners. >> well mr. chair unless we're going to jet son the entire response and going and formulate a response based on what we think are the major policy questions that we want to talk about which i wouldn't have a problem with if we just jet residence the response we have in the draft i think that if we don't - if we don't do that then unfortunately, there's a lot of language in here that i feel i have to take on and the commission should take on because there's a lot of that is simply inappropriate we've not put it out as a property draft and certainly i wouldn't want to adapt the rest of it without addressing some of the things i've got a half a dozen but. >> no, i appreciate that but i think we're mandated to respond to the finding and to the repre

any other - commissioner hayon >> i want to comment on recommendation 28. not necessarily our response but i just want to say for the record that this feels like a star-chamber procedure or a game. and i think that hass as noted in our response at any meeting people certainly the public is free to bring up any issues of this nature has it is but i would be hesitant to have this be a form aspect of the commissioner hearings. >> i agree i don't think it's we should include that. in our formal hearings. any further comments from the commissioners? >> (inaudible). >> yes. well, i'm proposing we delete the second sentence for recommendation 28. i next propose i would propose this is a politically troubling idea for the views are astonishing and i'll delete in the second to last response as troubling and finally, i would delete the last sentence. i'm not sure how my fellow commissioners feel about that or if there's a motion. is there a motion to adapt recommendation 28 as amended >> so moved that we adapt. >> is there a second. >> second. >> public comments? com

following and harassment might be good so we've accepted the agreement the mayor and commissioner hayon drafting legislation that is similar to the massachusetts ordinance that speaks to after and initial contract that any person engaging in the contact will be moved to keep them out of the area versus going to a continual situation absent that being in place we've continue to enforce 22 and yesterday, i received an additional section from the my assist city attorney but for right now everybody is getting the services and their first amendment rights are being replaced from the supreme court on a left turnerte