. >> and commissioner hayon >> my question is i just need to be reminded of what will happen. and once we decide on this penalty. and she is not going to respond to the penalty, she is not going to pay it, i would assume. i don't know that. but, given the lack of response thus far, what do we do then? do we garish wages? what do we do? >> it will go to the bureau of revenue and they will, well we will try to collect it first and we have a judgment from you saying here is what we need to pay, and reach out to try to collect that. and they, require a certain amount of effort from us to do that and then it could be sent to them for them to collect, basically they are like a collection agency for the city. and i am not, 100 percent on the process, but that is what happens. >> and do we ever make an attempt to actually go to the individual's home and knock on their door, and see if they are there. >> well, these are done by the process server and so i personally have not done that, and i suppose that it is not beyond the relevant tom realm to do that. >> we don't normally do that?

. >> commissioner hayon? >> i have another question, you know, a lot of journalistic entities follow the money and their organizations that devote themselves to that and i am just wondering have you partnered with any of these groups such as propublica and even nate silver and the work that he does, and you know, vox, and any of the other number of sites that are out there. that do this kind of reporting on money and lobbying and you know, the influence that it has and then there is all of that money that is very difficult to track and that can't be tracked. but i am just wondering if you formed me partnerships on that basis, and then, after that, i have a question for you steven. >> so, the main thing is that a lot of the organizations that you are talking about are largely focused at the federal level. that is a major difference and so i did personally work for another organization called working in that same space, called vitocracy and the great things about the things on the federal level is that you have

commissioner hayon? >> my first question, is this a permanent project that you will essentially supervise? >> it is an ongoing project, part of code for america. and so, code for america will hold on to everything, we build. and you know, everything will be live, they do have some not... so we have some nominal sort of fees that we have to pay for the hosting and that is not a huge amount of money and these, and whatever we built will be there and it is always going to be there. and it really is the question of how it is going to progress. right? >> and who is going to continue to provide. >> and input the data, and that changes from day-to-day and year to year, and election to election. and then, i assume that we will have a link to that, and we will have a permanent link to that website mr. st. croix? >> sure. >> well, we have, because i mean it is very exciting and it is a wonderful project and i would love to already go on the site and play around with it as i am sure that anybody who has an interest

>> commissioners, i think the commissioner hayon commissioner antonini was correct where there's been an issue with the existing unit on the upper floor the commissioner must be you review this it was a vacant lot and the medical offices are permitted on all floors of the building there's no removal it is just i believe that's itself primary issue you've raised. >> my point was that we have certain things we desire in neighborhoods commercial i think the global policy should be do we want all upper floors to be residential or allow for other uses on upper floors that has to transcend the situation whether it's new construction or converted construction because in some instances we fight over one single unit and in other cases four or five units in it has nothing to do with to do with this particular thing i want to make sure we consider you know conversions and new constructions sort look at globally as to what we're doing we have a concern about having enough housing units there's nothing wrong with this but it seems like to be a desire for existing housing but the new housing is the

. >> hayon. >> here. >> keane. >> she is taking this down and i don't think that she needs to do this part. >> the first item is public comment on the matters appearing and not appearing on the agenda that is within the jurisdiction of the ethic's commission. >> good evening, commissioner hur and commissioners. i'm hoping when you go into closed session, on item 6, that you may have a conversation about the second complaint that director st. croix dismissed. as i mentioned in your september 22nd meeting. that the (inaudible) did not go into the order of the sections 3.1.1 of the sia. and that indicates no officer employer shall aassist or provide assistance to an entity. and it seems quite clear to me, that mr. pilpil's repeated appearances here before you have done just that repeatedly. so, i would ask that you consider when you are in closed session. going to dismiss the complaint back and taking a good look at it. i am also, a little disturbed to see on the table tonight the policy discussion paper regarding the sunshine task force referrals. that topic is not on the aagain and in

. >> hayon. >> here. >> keane. >> she

>> at a recent meeting, commissioner hayon asked for an update on the (inaudible) requests and so i went back a year. and put these out, just so you guys have a history of what has been out there. and it is not really a discussion item, it is just that you wanted to know. >> yes, that is very helpful. >> i will give you one. >> thank you. >> sorry. >> oh, one other thing, the sunshine memo that he mentioned earlier, jessy going to give you a copy, this is on next month's agenda, and it is kind of irony that he said that we should not have given it to sunshine without considering it first. if we considered it first without giving a chance to comment, they would have been upset. so, we gave it to them earlier, and i think last week, and we were going to have this on the october agenda and they asked us, until they have a chance to look at it and so, it will be on the november agenda. and we did extend the consideration a month, and we don't intend to extend it beyond that. >> and you will include it in the november packet as well. >> yeah that is a draft of what we have so far, and as mr.