if you're looking for terrorists like a needle in a haystack, you have to assemble the haystack and that'st the metadata is. we'll continue to have this argument in the absence of proof either way. >> they had a variety of alternative friday night and saturday morning, to just continue the program as is to change it where the telecoms would hold data and government would have to get it and extend it for a few days or months. all of that failed. congress and its wisdom went home and senate returns next sunday, a week from today, just hours before the program runs out at midnight. the house doesn't come back until monday which raises the question is this going to expire? >> it may expire and in fact the administration says they are already winding down the program in the expectation that congress won't act. there does seem to be a compromise that could fly in congress the freedom act passed the hour and has significant bipartisan support -- >> explain what that is. >> which would have the telephone companies hold the data and put additional requirements on the add requirement to search the h

the haystack smaller. another way is to have better equipment to detect the needles. and maybe another way would make the needle bigger. and i think to some extent if we do immigration reform, do it smart, we can actually make some progress in -- on this front. if we do a better job with intelligence. i think one of the reasons we do well on the northern borders is the great relationship we have with the canadians and sharing of intelligence and joint operations. the other thing i keep coming back to and chairman and i talked about this a fair amount we talked with chairman kelly about it and that is to figure out how to convince a lot of people who live in honduras guatemala and el salvador. somehow figure out how we can make them less likely to want to flee their country to come up here. do y'all have any thoughts on any of this before we close? i'd welcome that. mr. garcia, briefly, any thoughts? just very briefly. you may not have. that's fine. okay. yeah. it's okay. >> i would add, on the unaccompanie

haystack among the haystacks out in the rest of the world to try to find the needle that's in one ofcrime. from my personal side of this, the only right thing that shane miller should do is take that gun and turn it on himself. that's what he deserves. if he doesn't have the balls to do that, then turn yourself in. >> the town is very afraid. afraid he's going to show up at any time. it's just -- it's horrible. it's horrible for us living here and not knowing where he is. >> i think our community came to the point where they started really looking at the emotional side of the murders, and they started talking about how can we help the community heal? >> in june of 2013, the shingletown community center activities council put together a memorial for the girls. >> all right. i'm going to turn over here to show you the library. this is the shingletown library in here, and over here where we have all the picnic tables and the nice little stream is where everybody gathered in here for the memorial for sandy, shelby, and little shasta. >> sandy's aunt showed up and said a few words, and we

if it deters it can reduce the haystack. so we agree with you but we also agree technology is not necessarily the best way to get there. >> thanks. >> briefly, joint task forces help. intelligence investigations coordination is key. then i think working with mexico better is going to help us. >> great. thanks so much. good. thank you all. great panel. very much appreciated. >> thank you, senator. one of the advantages of me not making long opening statements i'll make a closing one, because i've got a comment. if you want to reduce the haystack, what you should do is try and reduce, maybe even eliminate, the incentive of illegal immigration. one chart we have been putting up here is a history of unaccompanied children. coming from central america. and prior to deferred action on childhood and rivals we were 3,000, 4,000 per year. and then we issued those memoranda in 2012. and that number jumped to 10,000. the next year 20,000. the following year 51,000. i know it's come down a little but bit it's still way above historic le

make the haystack smaller. another way is to have better equipment to detect the needles. and maybe another way would be to make the needle bigger. i think to some extent if we do immigration reform do it smart we can actually make some progress on this front. if we do better with intelligence -- i think one of the reasons we do better on the northern border is the great information we have with the canadians and sharing of intelligence. the other thing we keep coming back to, and the chairman and i talked about this. we talked with general kelly southcom, about it and that is to figure out how to convince a lot of people who live in honduras guatemala, and el salvador that they want to just live there and somehow figure out how to make them less likely to want to flee their country to come up here. if you have any thoughts on any of this i'd welcome briefly any thoughts. please. just very briefly. you may not have. that's fine. okay. it's okay. miss gambler. >> i would just add on the unaccompanied alien child

in order to find a needle in a haystack, first you have to find a haystack. people felt you needed a lower level of scrutiny about the formation of that haystack. but it's not like you were going back and saying, ok, what is the level of scrutiny on the selection? this is in the early days. things have evolved legally since then. there's a real question in the second circuit, at what level is there a search? at what level is there any effect? that is a question, if a country, it is not clear where people come down, the communications they are putting out there into the world. a question about the third-party and metadata and the rest of that, i think different people might feel differently about it. but not until recently did we have a national conversation about it. mr. vitka: shouldn't the arbiter be something -- that looks like the court of appeals rather than the fisa court? ms. eoyang: it depends on the context in which you are asking the question. if you are talking about the 702 program, then no, because you have a challenge within 702, a built-in over

make the haystack smaller. another way is to have better equipment to detect the needles. and maybe another way would be to make the needle bigger. i think to some extent if we do immigration reform, do it smart, we can actually make some progress on this front. if we do better with intelligence -- i think one of the reasons we do better on the northern border is the great information we have with the canadians and sharing of intelligence. the other thing we keep coming back to, and the chairman and i talked about this. we talked with general kelly southcom, about it, and that is to figure out how to convince a lot of people who live in honduras, guatemala, and el salvador that they want to just live there and somehow figure out how to make them less likely to want to flee their country to come up here. if you have any thoughts on any of this, i'd welcome briefly any thoughts. please. just very briefly. you may not have. that's fine. ok. it's ok. miss gambler. >> i would just add on the unaccompanied alien chil

they harvest all of that data now they are sitting on a big haystack that contains your information. even though you're not from a foreign country -- you are a u.s. person. the fbi has confirmed this, they are going into that haystack and they are searching for other crimes -- not terrorism. they're using this incidental data collection that was supposed to be collected on foreign people, they are using that to collect it on you as people and their certificate. that is the backdoor. >> congressman, has technology lessened our privacy? thomas: not technology, the government has lessened our privacy. it has made it easier to violate your privacy, the fact that it exists. and i would argue that is because it is easy to search your data, and it is less intrusive to you, they don't have to come and pick your locks and take your papers out of the doors like they did 200 years ago when our fioound fathers were there -- just because it is easier to do doesn't make it moral. >> want to ask you about a deal that you have introduced. thomas: this is a bill we have introduced, we are worried abo

need to build a haystack.people felt like you weren't looking at the whole haystack, you need a lower level of scrutiny about the formation of that haystack. but it wasn't like you were going back and then saying, okay, what is the level of scrutiny on the selection tool. this is in the early days and things evolved legally since then. i think there is a real question that the second circuit pointed out, at what level is there a search. at what level is there an effect, right? and i think -- or someone affected. i think that's a question that as a country it is not clear where people come down in terms of the communications that they're putting out there into the world. this is a question about, you know, third party and metadata and the rest of that. i think that different people may feel differently about it. it is not until recently that we had a national conversation about that. >> shouldn't the arbiter be something that looks like the court of appeals for the second circuit rather than the fisa court? >>

need to build a haystack. people felt like you weren't looking at the whole haystack, you need a lower level of scrutiny about the formation of that haystack. but it wasn't like you were going back and then saying okay, what is the level of scrutiny on the selection tool. this is in the early days and things einvolved legally since then. i think there is a real question that the second circuit pointed out, at what level is there a search. at what level is there an effect, right? and i think -- or someone affected. i think that's a question that as a country it is not clear where people come down in terms of the communications that they're putting out there into the world. this is a question about you know, third party and metadata and the rest of that. i think that different people may feel differently about it. it is not until recently that we had a national conversation about that. >> shouldn't the arbiter be something that looks like the court of appeals for the second circuit rather than the fisa court? >>

the fbi at one point said it was like finding a needle in a haystack.it is becoming invisible. >> all of this is coming. the feds knew the jihadi roommates planned to attack the cartoon contest. the fbi says according to the director there james comi. simpson was in the cross hairs before the event. the bureau sent out a bull tan to authorities in texas to be on the lookout. a traffic officer shot simpson and his accomplice outside of the garland event. >> the youngest former gitmo detainee is now free and out on the streets. omar kadir was released by the canadian judge despite the government's insist tans he stay behind bars. he was 15 years old when he through a grenade in an afghan firefight killing christopher speer. he was transferred out of gitmo to serve time in canada. he will stay with his lawyer in edmonton under extensive monitoring while he appeals his conviction. >> today more than 30,000 police officers will gather to say good-bye to a fallen hero. brian moore a decorated nypd officer who died after he was shot in the line of duty last sa

he said it is like finding a needle in a haystack. john and christine. >> pamela brown, thanks. a senior commander for al qaeda in the arabian peninsula was killed. nasser al ansi had become the public face of the terror group appearing in the high profile videos, including the one taking credit for the "charlie hebdo" attacks. he and his son and six al qaeda fighters died in the part city of mukala. >>> the senate has passed a bill giving congress the right to review the nuclear agreement with iran. the vote was 98-1. it prevents president obama from lifting sanctions for 30 days giving lawmakers time to reject a deal or take no action at all. if congress disapproves, the president could veto that action. opponents are not likely to override him. >>> the nsa phone surveillance operation is illegal. that is the finding of the appeals court in new york. a three judge panel ruled that program exceeds what the congress authorized. the judges did not address if it violates the constitution. let's get more from correspondent michelle kosinski. >> reporter: john and christine, the fed

>> it's the haystack so they can find it when they are looking for something. don't worry, they are not after you. >> get a call to one of these guys and it's going to ping and they are going to take a closer look at her. >> exactly. >> i agree with eric. >> oh my god. we're going to give dana an aneurism here. >> because you guys don't ever answer -- you go round and round and avoid the central question how do you find the people that you are trying to profile? >> metrics. >> what metrics? >> the only thing left that you have is data collection because profiling will never be -- >> and if something happens, i guarantee you the attack on civil liberties from the federal government if there's another attack will be worse than anything you ever imagined. >> well i still have to say this. how do you find anything -- you think the drug analogies are not -- it's a crime. that's the problem. how do you find anything without defending your civil liberties. >> open the border who cares. >> no one said that. >>> still to come on "the five." >> i don't know what you're t

>> it's the haystack so they can find it when they are looking for something.rry, they are not after you. >> get a call to one of these guys and it's going to ping and they are going to take a closer look at her. >> exactly. >> i agree with eric. >> oh my god. we're going to give dana an aneurism here. >> because you guys don't ever answer -- you go round and round and avoid the central question how do you find the people that you are trying to profile? >> metrics. >> what metrics? >> the only thing left that you have is data collection because profiling will never be -- >> and if something happens, i guarantee you the attack on civil liberties from the federal government if there's another attack will be worse than anything you ever imagined. >> well i still have to say this. how do you find anything -- you think the drug analogies are not -- it's a crime. that's the problem. how do you find anything without defending your civil liberties. >> open the border who cares. >> no one said that. >>> still to come on "the five." >> i don't know what you're talking ab

one other thing that comey said, it's like trying to find needles in haystack, except the haystack is the spire country talk about having people under investigation in all 50 states and the needles are these -- it's relatively speaking few but as comey said, it could be hundreds or even thousands of people who are bag radicalized on the internet. they may have contact or may just be reading some of this stuff. apparently what they're reading, whether it's videos they look at or propaganda material they read, is increase living sophisticated and unfortunately isis is getting better at being able to appeal to these confused, obviously as time goes on, twisted, deranged people and get them to commit these acts of violence in home country. >> sounds like that i was always been good at it bit we've been good at watching them do it. now they're hiding better. whenever you read detailed things like this i wonder if -- the worth part of these as horrible as human life is and this loss of life is and horrible as an attack is, the collective freakout later can have long-term damage. i wonder do

the needling in a haystack these dogs are going after. >> this time of year the view from sausalito issee san francisco much of the time. today was the exceptoin. we did see the city. it was a pleasant albeit chilly afternoon of the here's a new wrinkle added to the forecast. a tiny thunderstorm chance. we'll talk about that coming up. >>> and i'm dennis o'donnell dennis o'donnell live at oracle arena. game 2 memphis golden state tonight. warriors fans will get the ♪ ♪ ♪ it took tim morehouse years to master the perfect lunge. but only one attempt to master depositing checks at chase atms. technology designed for you. so you can easily master the way you bank. just can't seem to escape... another sneeze attack... you may be muddling through allergies. don't get caught off guard. try zyrtec® dissolve tabs. powerful allergy relief, now in a tablet that starts dissolving instantly. zyrtec® dissolve tabs. muddle no more™. >>> top stories tonight. san jose police launching an internal affairs investigation into this arrest video. officers say 22-year-old juan moreno lopez attacked them when

he said it is like finding a needle in a haystack and increasingly that needle is invisible. john and christine. >> pamela, thank you for that. >>> senior commander for al qaeda killed bring a u.s. drone strike. nasser al ansi had become a public face in the terror group. appearing in high profile videos, including the one taking credit for "charlie hebdo." al ansi his son and six fighters died last month in the port city of makala. >>> the senate has overwhelmingly passed ia bill to give the congress the right to overview any agreement with nuclear. it would give the lawmakers time to decide to disapprove or take no action. if congress disapproves, the president could veto that action. >>> the nsa phone surveillance operation is illegal. that's the finding of a federal appeals court in new york. a three-judge panel says the program exceeds the scope of what congress authorized. let's get more this morning on the story from correspondent michelle kosinski. >> reporter: john and christine, the federal appeals court re veals the stockpiles of telephone data is illegal under the

it really is like a needle in a haystack.ropologist's nightmare. >> after close examination, forensic anthropologists concluded the majority of the bones were human, but that didn't mean police were any closer to knowing if the bone chips were shamaia's. >> there was a lot of thermal destruction. this would suggest a tremendous fire that lasted for as much as days. >> i had never worked with samples that had been so charred and so burnt before, so i was very hesitant as to whether i would be able to generate a dna profile from these remains. >> but in a case with so few lucky breaks, the forensic anthropologists finally got one. they found a piece of a foot with soft tissue. >> there was still organic material. there was still definitely the potential of getting dna out of that foot. >> the other big challenge was that we didn't have a known sample from shamaia smith. so what we had to do in that case was take those dna profiles we generated from tissue and burnt skin and bone and then make a comparison to shamaia smith's bio

a couple of different ways to better find needles in the haystack. one of those ways is to make the heyaystack smaller. another way to have better equipment to protect the needles. another way to make the needle bigger. i think to some extent if we do immigration reform, do it smart, we can actually make some progress on this front. if we do a better job with intelligence. i think one of the reasons we do well on the northern borders great relationship we have with canadians, a lot of sharing of intelligence and doing a lot of joint operations. the other thing i keep coming back to, chairman and i talked about this we talked with general kelly south com, about it that is to figure out how to convince people who live in el salvador they want to live there. somehow figure out how we can make them less likely to want to flee their country to come up here. do y'all have any thoughts on any of this before we close? i'd welcome that. very briefly any thoughts, please? just very brief. you may not have. that's fine. that's okay. >> i would just add on accom

if we use the camera for the needle in a haystack, where we just waited for the one shooting. the impact would be minimal. shooting. >> absolutely. we want to be out in front of it. they are indicative of crime. >> the police are taking their extensive network of cameras to a new level, launching a virtual neighbourhood watch, allowing residents to tap into the cameras, a first of its kind programme in the nation. >> i can access a camera, so i can watch the playground. if there's a group of individuals that are displays suspicious behaviour, we can zero in on that. >> reporter: brian morgan coaches little league, it used to be a haven for prostitution and drug. now four surveillance cameras watch the children at play. >> he's playing baseball, taking the first swing on a swing. what can be more natural. surveillance. >> reporter: you can do it on the phone. >> that's the cool thing. those of us connected to the league and other community groups have the ability to log into the camera system >>> a few residents, screened in advance, have been given access to the interactive co

. >> the needle in a haystack. >> that's right. >> this shows the results on water melon plants.t is a plant. green dots indicate plants with a genetic marker for a certain disease resistance that jerome is looking for. this cap take a couple of years off the breeding process. >> we can combine a number of traits. quality, exterior appearance, and it opens a lot of opportunity why is. >> this device shaved more years off the process of building a better vegetable. how? letting researchers figure stuff. >> seed chippers slice seed off for d.n.a. analysis. the challenge - cutting the seed without killing the embryo inside. infrared cameras show where the embryo is positioned. and they are fed to the computer. looking at the geometry of the seed, and then it has a side, when we turn the seed to a specific orientation. once oriented correctly, it's moved to the blade. every seed and its chip are barcoded and tracked. if it has the rite trace a breeder can plant it. of course, the star of the show is the result of all the technology. coming up, how good are these super vegeies? i got

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. >> it is like finding the needle in the haystack. you are trying to find the diamond in the rough that is in bad enough condition. >> house flipping which is defined as buying and selling a home in the same year is making investors a gross profit of 72,000450 dollars the highest of 35% gross profit and higher home prices are helping, even though flippers have to pay more up front. some of the best market for returns, tampa, pittsburgh memphis, chicago, boston seattle and washington, d.c. flipping though is more competitive now, with so few listings on the market which is why flippers made up 4% of sales at the start of this year a four year low. there may be fewer sflipers out there but investors in the market are still going strong and in fact buying homes from the flippers because they have management infrastructures -- structures in place they are helping to boost profits. >> they are able to buy at a higher price point and still make their maeshlgs and -- margins and prof side of things. >> and still any flipper will tell you it

entire national security apparatus rights our privacy daily obsessively looking for a need nel a haystackd he's standing over there waving a giant needle, and homeland security is like get that sharp thing out of my face. i got needles to find. well if mr. hughes' intent was to point out holes in our national security mission accomplished. >> hughes landed his gyrocopter on the capitol lawn as part of a protest against campaign finance laws. >> carrying 535 letters one for each member of congress. >> the pilot had hoped to spark a conversation about the state of big 99 politics. >> jon: i know what? to be fair. campaign finance laws are a major problem. kudos to that fella. that is a conversation we should be having, and if it takes a pilot from "mad max" over here to start that conversation, then so be it. let's not ignore the complete d.c. security meltdown conversation. it's not just the capitol. these breaches have been happening at the white house. >> sweeping change religion coming including a possible 10-foot fence. >> a possible double fence. >> barbed wire. >> a moarkts. >> an el

one president obama was challenged where did this haystack of everyone's information the leader of germany, brazil, when did that make us stronger, and there is not one example that they can come up with you take the boston marathon, you take the "charlie hebdo" bombing in paris you have to find the guys who did this and you had to do all sorts of police work. and what we are doing is drowning in this information. >> are google and facebook complicit in maintaining this information and getting this information? >> there's no doubt there is before edward snowden and after. and this 29-year-old go at the time had showed a clarity and bravery and i don't know if he is a republican or democrat, i hear he is kind of libertarian and i think he did what anyone should do and inform us when the constitution is being violated. that is what he did. the people that call him a traitor or something they forget the obligation of citizenship which is to inform what is going on. and i would say that the key thing is that there's no evidence that any of this has made us more secure. the evidence is overwhel

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. >> reporter: somewhere below 35,000 pairs of feet on ten miles of pavement lay a need until a haystacks wedding band featuring a tiny inscription with huge significance. >> while i was running, i texted her and i lost my wedding ring. >> oh my god, are you kidding? >> no why would i kid at something like that. >> reporter: they have been married 12 years. their one big mishap happened 15 seconds into the ten miler. >> i think he was trying to get in front of me and clipped my leg. and i went straight down. >> reporter: david said he didn't realize his ring was missing until mile five. he thought it was too late. >> come with me we're to be do it. >> reporter: but a philly police officer found it and gave it to us. karen spotted on the nbc 10 facebook page. >> how you doing? keith jones from nbc 10. we got the ring. here it is right here. >> oh my god. >> how amazing is that? >> i can't believe it. it's amazing. i thought this was long gone. >> reporter: now it's back on his finger. but not snug. they shared their wedding photo. >> i lost about 75 pounds since i got married. so it's bee

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freedom act there may not be a haystack to look through at all. in short the opponents of america's counterterror programs would rather trust telecommunications companies to hold this data and search it on half of our government. these companies have no programs no training or tools to search the databases they would need to create. and if that wasn't bad enough we would have to pay them to do it. that taxpayers would have to pay them to do it. in addition of making us less safe the u.s.a. freedom act would make our privacy less secure. the section 215 program is subject to rigorous controls and strict oversight. only a limited number of intelligence professionals have access to the data. there are stricter limits on when and for what purpose they can access the data. their access to the data is closely supervised with numerous numerous levels of review. visa safeguards will not apply to the untried and novel system under the u.s.a. freedom act. and rather than storing the information securely at nsa, the information will be held by private compan

i think we've made the haystack so big no one's ever getting through the haystack to find the needle.what we really need to do is isolate the haystack into a group of suspicious people and spend enormous resources looking at suspicious people, people who we have probable cause. if you think of almost every instance -- i mean, go back to 9/11. you'll have people come forward with the ridiculous assumption that if we had the patriot act we wouldn't have had 9/11. they say oh, we would have caught those two terrorists in san diego. and i'm like, you mean the two terrorists that were living with a confidential informant for a year? we knew who these people were. they weren't talking to each other. it wasn't for a lack of gathering information. all this incidental and all this grabbing up of bulk records that isn't what we needed. we needed the c.i.a. to call the f.b.i. we needed further the f.b.i. to call washington and for somebody to be listen to them. the 20th hijacker, a guy named moussaoui, was captured a month in advance. we've got him in minnesota we've got his computer. he was cap

it's like taking a needle out of the haystack. things will pop out.ons may be as minor as which direction to throw a ball handler and also, defensive metrics that is more difficult to calculate than traditional statistics. >> they are researching that. >> a natural selection of the bio data. more next level analysis that measures joint angle and leaping ability. >> others that measure stress and fatigue. >> what we do with the gps how they're running in a game, we put heart monitors on them. we see their load, we see their recovery time, they have sleep monitors we put all that data together. >> of course, no matter how much technology is at a coach's disposal it's most effective when combined with good old fashion intuition. >> you can see it in their eyes when they're tired. >> i can see the fatigue and the data that backed that up. >> i just love the being able to help the coaches in a unique way, you know, just giving them something they can use to help them win games. that's what we're here for to win games and a championship. the most exciting t

to take the analogy out, if before they were looking for needles in haystacks trying to find folks in the united states, ready to commit attacks inspired by isis, the needles have become now invisible. they're also pointing to new tactics by isis. madison avenue techniques, if you will, using their best-looking fighters to try to appeal directly to women they want help from and those kinds of things. it is making it harder and harder for the fbi to combat isis's propaganda martha. martha: very slick organization in some ways. the fbi is real v. vealing a little bit what they view about the texas attacks and how the dots were attempted to be connected right? >> reporter: exactly. in this case the fbi had intelligence hours before elton simpson attack that the cartoon contest he was headed to garr lant texas. they alerted the local police department about the situation. local police dodged the question about what they knew when. there were people on the ground at the event had not gotten the word to be on the lookout for simpson. law enforcement obviously should look out for more folks.

, the lack of information oftentimes and all you're looking for is a child so it's a needle in a haystack were getting a great response from law enforcement. i think for the first ten days or so law enforcement were manned here 24 hours on the phone. >> at one point, they had like 40,000 leads. it was too many so they had to triage. every cupboard was covered with post-it notes and phone numbers and the table and the countertop were filled. >> there were at any one time 40, 50 people in our house. i would sometimes have to just take off and go for a walk by myself for a while just to kind of clear my head. >> we decided after the christmas holidays that it was time for everybody to go back to school and work. so they all did, which left me home screaming, tearing my hair out. you know, it's like, what else, what do we need to do, what's going on? and i had nowhere to go. >> in the beginning, there's this initial surge, the media is fascinating. people try to help you. strangers you never met try to help in some way. police are really on top of the case. but then that reality sets in, that

if you're going to look for a needle in a haystack, get a magnet.d it. in this case, how do they become radicalized? probably starting with twitter or some other social media. probably on the public sites. some sort of communication. we can monitor that. it's not an nsa issue. we can monitor those kind of public interactions, and then from there hone in on those people that seem to be more engaged in that kind of social interaction. and from there, reach out into the the police operations around the country. notifying the police that this is something they should be aware of in the local communities as well as the local and regional fbi. then as i said earlier, you've got to work with the communities that seem to be the most affected by this propaganda. probably the muslim community more than others, but not only that community, because there are clearly others that are not muslim that somehow find this to be attractive. so work with those communities. those communities are good law-abiding americans as much as anybody else and they don't want harm

is it like looking for a needle in a haystack?ooking for multiple needles in multiple haystacks. >> then in january of 1981, a breakthrough. peterson realized they were seeing one green carpet fiber with a unique shape. this is a cross-section of the fiber magnified many times. >> this particular fiber had two very, very large lobes and one short lobe. >> the lobes are the three ends of the boomerang shape. >> the shape was the most distinctive part of the fiber. >> he showed me a slide taken from another carpet. >> this is a single tuft from the carpet. cut in cross-section. >> yeah, i can't tell that's green. even putting the tiny fibers under the microscope didn't help me. how can you tell what color this is? because in this, this green carpet because of that light green, looks very whitish. >> the colors microscopically is not going to be identical to what overall carpet would be. >> instead, an even more sophisticated microscope. >> so let me just open this up -- >> -- can separate colors to i'd few a specific fiber. we took

> tonight's mission for lieutenant michael higden and brian scott is to search for a needle in a haystacklated over several years. >> it's going to be difficult, honestly to look through every little piece of everything. a lot of these guys constantly have something that they're doing wrong. they have a lot of stuff. >> i am seeing an altered mattress right there. obvious stash spot. well, it looks empty. >> then, the trail to tattoo paraphernalia grows warmer. >> this is all unauthorized writing utensils, that's all it is. nice and easy. but what they can do like right here they can take red ink and make a red tattoo. and there it is. the how-tos. what i just found was little directions, how they tattooed their eyes. we might not want to have this floating around. next thing we know we got 955 blind inmates and don't know what to do. >> though the search fails to turn up the potentially contaminated needle, they return with a large bag of other contraband. >> no luck on the syringe. we did find the paper that tells them how to tattoo their eyeballs, which is a good find in my opinion. a