thank you for speaking with us hazel cheeseman.ree by 2025. this means being cigarette and tobacco free. but with smokers looking foralternatives, many are turning to vapes. there's been a sharp rise in teenagers vaping so in order to combat that, the government has now banned most disposable vapes. 0ur correspondent, shaimaa khalil, has more. there are probably more teens that do vape that don't at school and they pack out the bathrooms. coco was 12 when she vaped for the first time. she is now 15 and trying to quit. we've changed her name and voice to protect her identity. it got more accessible for me so i got addicted. everyone around me was vaping at the time, and then that's when also the colourful flavours came out and thatjust got every kid on it. vaping is now the habit of choice for millions of young people around the world like coco. it's illegal to sell it to under 18s but she tells me that never stopped her or her friends. the older kids sell to the younger kids and lots of shops don't check id. you can just walk in th

well, we're talking now to hazel cheeseman.s a step in the right direction, but isn't quite enough. >> joining us, simon >> and also joining us, simon clarke, director of the smokers rights who well, rights group forest, who well, you imagine what thinks. you can imagine what he thinks. let's you , simon. let's start with you, simon. i know the many times we've talked over over the years, you've always said, well, if people want to give up, they should be able to give up. is positive messaging not not a way forward here. something could pursued ? >> well, 7_ >> well, i'm 7 >> well, i'm certainly not against the idea of inserts in packs on principle. i think it depends a little bit on what information is on those inserts for example, if it gives information about reduced risk products , which are alternatives products, which are alternatives to smoking . so we're talking to smoking. so we're talking about e—cigarettes, heated tobacco, nicotine pouches , i tobacco, nicotine pouches, i think that would be quite a positive thing be