more than hazen, hazen, no problem but hawkins i really wanted to find. i couldn't, one of my colleagues said, that is part of the story here, is that so many of the people that we have named on these rosters, this is all we have of them. we know that they lived, we have their name, and we have nothing else. we know more about him but he also represents so many of the soldiers who came in, enlisted, fought, and disappeared. >> do we know where those journals were between him disappearing into the is there and then ending up at hsp? or how they came into the collection? >> i have not seen it but if we want to talk to the hsp. >> there is a guy over there who might be able to help us with this. >> i will say, what is evident in this, at some point they were together, so, actually when he was writing them they were in smaller, paper bound kind of stitched together pages. and then, at some point, somebody decided to put them within a leather binding. and when they did they were one or two pieces bound out of order. i was going, it stops here but then that is