just this week, the supreme court sent back a circuit court of appeals ruling that had been against hazleton, pa., same kind of thing. of course, we will see a lot more, but i think the trend of the supreme court is good toward enforcement. host: should this be done on the state level or the federal level? guest: we have always advocated for a national mandatory e- verify system. but congress has resisted doing that for 15 years. it is great that the states are doing it. for the most part, and immigration is a federal issue. but it does make sense for states and localities to help the federal government. there's a 287 g program, which the federal government has where local governments can train and help immigration agents. we do not need 50 different state immigration enforcement systems. but it does make sense for the states to help the feds. host: howard joined does come i republican caller from richmond, virginia. good morning. caller: i have a question about -- i'm sorry, barack obama -- host: let's move on to margaret. caller: i am a democrat and the liberal and i have tried to bring it