hbcus on average, a private hbcu is 10,000 per student less per year than historically white college or university. >> we are talking about income disparity jump. take it this way, not all hbcus are successful, thriving, a lot of them are struggling, significant portion of them are barely staying afloat here. is it possible that some of them need to be culled out? >> well, many of them are struggling. and their struggles are owing to a number of things. the growing recession hit them hard because of the disproportionate number of african americans going to hbcus. african americans lost a tremendous amount of their welt in the recession. wealth is normally what you use for college. and so -- >> but still and yet there are some programs that are not sustaining themselves. is it possible that some of those will just have to fall by the way side? >> each one of the campuses and their alumni and if they're public, the states in which they're located will have to assess whether or not there need to be different models. so today we're looking at whether we make better use of distance educat

hbcu.what howard does, so goes hbcus. and it's really important for us to continue to go what we - what we were built to do, serve the underserved and represent the under-represented. >> hbcus were created after the civil war to educate blacks prohibited to attend all-white institutions. until the mid 1960, hbcu were the only college options for most blacks. today they are steeped in legacy and tradition. 105 hbcu represent less than 3% of colleges and universities across the united states, they graduate 20% of all blacks earning undergraduate degrees. the financial unravelling put a spotlight on their survival it sparked with national conversation about their development. mairieboth gasman specialised in minority serving institutions. >> for some reason people say black institutions as segregation, but not historically white institutions that way. that's american racism for you, right. so what i typically tell people is they are absolutely relevant, and i can give you a great example. if y

so far, hbcus have lost over $300 million.zed to college leaders, was that hasn't stopped the ongoing possibility of a lawsuit from the historically black colleges and universities against president obama. so although this is tough, you're the president of an hbcu, nobody thinks president obama wants to kill black colleges, but this is a policy that ultimately has a structurely racist impact. >> it's been really tough. it's been tough for me personally. because the night president obama was first elected, my wife was in the hospital, my daughter and i were at the house. she was in the hospital, because we had a son born that day and his middle name is barack. so we feel this, you know, closeness to the president, but my concern is sometimes people around him, who are helping to make these decisions, sometimes forget about the conversations that we're having and if you look at, you know, the wealth gap with african-americans having one-tenth the wealth of whites and earning 75%, those are the kinds of things that when you deal

it speaks to how we still view and treat our hbcus in this country. >> i'm going to pick up on the southernhe moral monday protesters did to push back against the republicans and the legislature in the governorship and these folks really went out there and were willing to get arrested and lift their voices against all odds to try to push for change. i think they're quite heroic and a model for what we need to do in the country at large. >> i agree. i think moral monday should have been a lot more coverage. the dream defenders, those young people that came after we did the hundred cities on trayvon. as well as the fasters on immigration. i think it was another story undercovered. stay tuned. we have more revvies coming up. >>> the revvies will return with president obama, senator ted cruz, wendy davis, and the blueberry pie lifetime achievement award. but first, earlier this evening we awarded the revvie for best politician in a foreign comedy. and the revvie went to toronto mayor rob ford for putting the can do in canada. as in i can do whatever i want. >> we're not going to continue this m

schools, you have this big host of nfl rosters, full of hbcu players, like grambling.wn the toilet. there should have been a sustained system in place for fund-raising so they could have proper field conditions. i saw the weight room, i saw the video, mold on the shoulder pads. that's something that high school programs don't have. you're right. it's good to see these players standing up for themselves. and to not play a game -- there's a purity about playing the game. it's usually, play the game and we'll deal with it later. but for them not to play the game, it shows you how bad it really god. i'm embarrassed for doug and that whole program or any parent that sent their kid to grambling to get an education and have a college football experience. >> soy wonder, though, about -- so, again, i'm with you. i look at those conditions and i think, this is horrifying. and yet, i also feel like, surely they also notice, for example, there's only one chemistry teacher on campus. and i know that you had an opportunity to visit with harry belafonte earlier in the week. and he is

hbcu has been particularly hard hit by the lack of resources. what are you doing?gy for turning that around? >> right. higher education, in general, was downgraded, because it's a difficult business when you look at the tuition, revenue. it's a difficult thing to expand. especially when we have students coming in to howard, giving them a great opportunity, academically, they're very, very gifted but maybe financially challenged. what we're doing overall is to make sure we maximize our revenues, diversify. we have real estate holdings that i believe we can monetize appropriately. bring to market and we is to expand our fund-raising, that helps to diversify the revenue. with the other respect moody's may have highlighted with respect to our expense base, we are certainly looking at restructuring to make sure we answer that call as well. >> why did howard fall in the news and world report rankings and what's the strategy for turning that around? >> these rankings are based on hard criteria. we've looked extensively at the criteria. the criteria that was published in t