had some discomfort with this sort of legislation, but he indicated before he would allow this bill hb 1228 to become law, and rumors we have been hearing, he tried to broker some compromise between the right wing of his party and opponents of the bill. thus far, we haven't heard about it. >> thank you for joining us live. now joining me jason roll in director of the human rights campaign that has spoken out against the religious freedom law, and sandy who supports religious freedom laws. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> sandy start with you. get your reaction from what you heard from governor pence and this clarification of law you support which would greatly change in many ways some of the things i think you were expecting. >> i think clarification needs to happen. clarification is needed tamron. the problem is that the law has been completely mischaracterized. religious freedom restoration act is protection for every person listening to me. it isn't about coming after gays or lesbians not about coming after anyone it is what we call a shield not a sword. doesn't cause anyb

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>> you know while we believe that the original intent of hb 1228 was to protect the religious freedomsf all our kansans, we believe it can be interpreted to protect arkansas, is that we want to be a state of opportunity not intolerance . >> why are legislatures passing bills that in your opinion would allow their citizens of their states to discriminate against gays and lesbians? what is this about? >> i can't speak to the legislative intent of the gentleman thatgentleman thatgentlemen that have been involved in this piece of legislation or other states. but what we have tried to do is urge the arkansas legislature governor has come out and spoke to ensure an open and fair workplace as well as an equitable work environment for all arkansasns. arkansas residents. >> i've got to talk to you about. has this already done damage by arkansas the state legislature by going ahead and passing it? >> i don't think so. because the fast action of the governor and the legislative leaders to take a step back to take a deep breath to take another look at what the perception of this legislation was be

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you mentioned, that the arkansas municipal league representing over 500 cities also came out opposing hb-1228. it was a tipping point. i felt it important to tell the governor from my perspective as the mayor of the capital city, a city that is open, and welcomes all people of all religions, of all diversity, of all faith and of all love, that first of all, there's no need for this. i guess we've gone in arkansas from 1993 when rfra was first passed federally to 22 years until today, and all of a sudden someone thinks we need this law. the bill of rights, constitution, the united states and the country was founded on the issue of tolerance, religious tolerance and tolerance against persecution. i guess whether we need it or not is in the province of the legislature. it obviously can be construed to discriminate against people based on a variety of things, including sexual orientation and transgender identity, which happens to be the issue which is the focus and fire point today. so i made the point to him that it really was not needed, number one. number two is, anything this divisive, a

electorate the use of social media, and the question has come up over and over again with hillary clinton hb unlike it has with other candidates the whole age thing. is this an answer perhaps, to the whole age thing, not being able to connect or reach out to the younger generation that she has chosen this way to roll out her campaign to make the official announcement changing her twitter page to now presidential candidate. >> she has smart people working with her. everybody understands how to communicate, and you think hillary clinton understands how to use social media as well. you know she hasn't been living under a rock for the last 30 years, so i think she gets that. if you look back to the last campaign hillary clinton ran only on her experience, right? and didn't run onunderer at all. i think what you're going to see this time is hillary clinton who will yes, run on her experience and the substantive nature of herself, but i think she's also going to run as somebody who is unafraid to say yes i can understand your problems and i care about you. maybe gender does play into that. i think

they said the passage of hb 1228 threatens to undermine the spirit of inclusion present throughout theand does not reflect the values we uphold. for mees reasons, we're asking the governor to veto the legislation. clearly, they disapprove of the legislation. the question in arkansas, i don't believe we've seen it yet, will businesses start to act with their money? will they pull money out and stop giving business to that state? >> i think if you look at indiana, you look at the issues occurring there, simultaneously, i think you have to take a look at arkansas and say that you would conclude that the same thing would start to happen in arkansas. again, you know, these are the conflicts you see inside the republican party, the establishment, chamber of commerce, if you will, wing of the republican party, pro-business and conservative, evangelicals in the party who believe that their religious freedom is threatened who do not support gay marriage, for example. and i think that this is going to continue to play out over and over again. and what's so interesting to me, as you look at the r

o'brien, recently one of the voices in women on top, a short documentary produced by hello beautiful's hbty, and power. >> the definition of power changes over time as you sort of grow and mature. i think when i was younger, i thought of power as sort of the ability to make people do what you wanted them to do. and now i define power as the opportunity to open up other opportunities for people. >> okay. so i love that. we were laughing because, of course, once you have children you realize you have no power to make other people -- >> this toddler has power, and i have nothing. >> they're like three days old and they're in total control. >> yep, yep. >> but tell me about that definition of power of creating access for others. >> what i have found kind of exciting as we look back at women's mystery month and analyze and get to that age where people are like i'm interested in your analysis on this is you start off thinking power is this. i want people to do it. i'm going to yell at them. they're going to do what i want. i'm going to get paid a lot of money. as you grow and hopefully mature y

passing hb-1228 which governor hutchison is expected to sign even though he urged changes to the law before it was passed. now the country's largest private employment walmart in a statement, the ceo said every day in our stores we see firsthands the benefits of diversity and inclusion have on our associates customers and communities we serve. today aesz passage threatening to undermine the spirit of inclusion throughout arkansas. we're asking governor hutch ininson to veto the law. it provides individuals and corporations valuable protections that might infringe on those freedoms. in minnesota a similar bill prompted store owners claiming they don't discriminate. the business communities in indiana and many in arkansas hearing this law will make it difficult to retain and recruit talent and draw new investments to their state. now other corporations including american airlines apple, wells fargo issuing a statement in support of the gay advocacy group the human rights campaign saying these laws set a dangerous precedent and undermine equality in the work place. >> the changes they'r

the hb 1228 was locked up in the senate judiciary until a couple of days last week.rs flipped his vote. and all of a sudden it was over in the house to concur with those senate amendments and voted on. and frankly, many of us were surprised that it was getting out of out of the committees and certainly people spoke out very loudly. i wrote a letter to the governor and encouraged limb to veto this legislation. i articulated number one is that you know rfra on the federal level was signed into law in 1993. 22 years ago. we haven't seemed to need to have a state law like that for 22 years. so i guess i fundamentally question whether it's really needed when we've got a constitution and a bill of rights. that protects not only freedom of religion but freedom of association. so in any event. i urged him that this was too divisive it was tearing people apart and certainly was happening in indiana, think had a pretty big impact on the governor as well. and from a business standpoint from a business standpoint this was absolutely terrible. i've heard from our convention and v

today's passage of hb 1228 threatens to undermine the spirit of inclusion present throughout the stated does not reflect the values we proudly uphold for these reasons we are asking governor hutchinson to veto this legislation. is it possible that your bill goes too far and that for whatever reason it's being misinterpreted and it's actually counterproductive to what were you trying to do? >> you have two questions. whether it goes too far. and the answer is no is it being misinterpreted? absolutely it is. but that's you know, we have a little bit of kind of a fight going on within our family here in arkansas that is you know there's a discussion and debate that's going on. and in the end, what happens when the dust settles and people realize that this is the same as the law is in 31 other states that this is the same as the the law is under the federal rfra within the federal government. in the end all this is going to people realize that it's not nearly the significant change they expected it to be. and people go on and join each other here in arkansas. >> governor hutchinson has to

. >> hb-1228 is hate.porter: the state house passed its own religious freedom bill. >> my bill is designed to protect the people's civil liberty when it comes to religion. >> reporter: now on its way to the governor's desk. >> not in our name. not in god's name. >> reporter: in georgia and north carolina as well. why did lawmakers here in indiana pass this bill now? the governor says it comes on the heels of the's recent hobby lobby decision that strengthens at the federal level. critics argue this had a lot to do with indiana's same-sex marriage ban overturned last year. as we mentioned, the debate now shifting to arkansas today. guys back to you. >> all right. >> gabe thanks a lot. >>> still ahead, senator john thune joins us. >>> plus we'll talk to the ceo of the company responsible for our most delicious morning paper segment. >> oh no. popeye's chicken on the jersey turnpike. >> vince lombardi stop. >> you know the vince lombardi stop? >> the vince lombardi stop and the pop eye'seye's there. unbelieva