and we think that hca is the best position within the hospital space, so hca operates with about a 19% operating car flow margin. it's large, it's diversified, they generate what we love which is cash flow and they use it to pay down debt. >> what do rising yields in the treasury market mean for you, your fund, your investors? >> it's a great question especially with what we're witnessing today. as we look across the bond markets, we see much better value and credit risk than an interest rate risk. credit risk in high yield market generally its key dermna nan determinant is the economy, as interest rates go up the economy is improving which is good for high yield bonds as opposed to much of the bond market. >> kevin, thank you very much. appreciate it. good luck to you. >>> straight ahead, the story everyone is talking about goldman sachs executives in europe, rips the firm to shreds in a "new york times" op-ed. some refer to clients as muppets. who knew that miss piggy did debt offerings? >> what is inside the buzz -- what is the buzz inside goldman, i should say, about all this? is i