th wednesday nig statement where heaid the cambridge police acted stupidl was obvisly heartfelt, something he blieved. something genuely came out of his owopinions on this. and i think e friday statement als in some ways was also anotherpart of brack ama, the conciliatory barak obama, t one who wants to idge divides and doesn' want to ilame things and probay regret it, ahough he idn't use that word,the idea hiswn rds had further inflamed an alrey polarizing situation. gwen: i s reading, i thik it wa "salon" tat head a line, breaking nws, the president is a bla guy. maybe is that what wewere seeing? >> you could haveeasily forgottethat. he spent six mnths -- gwen: a lot of eople anted -- >> i don't know it' surprising it tk six months for this to ppen, but he knw at some poinand it happens in ny presidenc that some racia issue will come nd consume the country and consume th media for a while ad it was goingo be a test fo how he would respond beuse obviously he does have this unique position in american siety history. so he did choo to weigh in where heoften miht be mor elyptical. a lot of p

you did bad things heaid. at did you mean? >> the war in vietn for meis very bad thing >> rose: well, he didn't do the war in vietnam. >> he was certainly partf the war effort. he was the secretary of defense in the kendy and johnson administration. >> rose: he could ha resigned on principle. >> he could resignedn prciple. there are ma, many, many questions about the '60s, what happened in the war, the tragedy the trueragedy not onl that we've stted the war but even after he left the jnson administration in 1968 the war continued til 19 with millions of vietnamese dying and tens of thousands of americans. >> rose: you've heard this before on this program even at the central thing that happened about that was that pele felt like that en after you acknowledged that you had realized certainhings about e war, you didn't speak out evenhen. >> well, that... again, for an ex-secretary odefense to spea out against a war.... >> rose: but americans we dyin >> but more americans... inhe first place i might he been wrong because almost a

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so ty're saying in effect, and heaid you're the dog that didn't bark, you did evything right. you we getting a few problems, but you'r the example, not the oblem. >> sieyou know ttin washington there's thi whole move afoot have w relations, new rules forthe financial system. and i knowou're posed to any new regulatn for cdit unions. tell us why. >> well,e have not said we're oosed to any new regulation for credit unions. and i wil tell you t administration, just met with officls yesterday, said that some of e regulatns they'r proposing wouldt be on top of current regulations, but they wou be in place of. and we'd be inrested in that. if they could eliminate it. but idon't care whether you're a credit union or a bank, if you have 50 pous of regulations and th they want to put another 50 on it, you say wait a minute, e burden gets too heavy. we wanto do what's be for nsumers, and that'sho we work for weant to dowhat's best for our members. but we want a reanable amou of regulation. and we want complete transparen and cess for ourmembers. and simplity in forms, all of what the ad

according to him, he s not a sp heaid that he had these materials because waa pack rat.ll of these sensitive documents had to be working -- had to be locked up at the en of the worky and that is what is accud of not doing. he faces someing le 90 years inail, doesn't he? the rest of h life. >> yeç he faces multiple charges anwe understand that the minimum commendation from the prosecution will be about 20 years. he is a man of 73. a maxum sentee of potentially 90 years. >> tnk you very much, indeed. stay with us if you can. still to come, dancing across the divide, the first foreign ballet to visit cuba in years. fit tugh, an extraordiny rao has brok outn india between two senior women politicians over -- the confrtation, rape victims. oneeclared that the money fered to the rape victims was demeaning. tt has led to arrestnd she has also had h house burned do. > after an angry speech, the arsonttack. congress politician -- a congress politicns house was set ablazend her cars destroyed. l of this because of controversialemark against a powerfulpolitician in india and an ic

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. >> you think if heaid if israel goes ahead he will not try to sp them. >> ihink they're concerned about whether isra goes ahead d that's a point that airal mullen made today if someone else tries to strik it has a huge effect in the rion andwe would ve to pay for at as we in terms of relaonships th those coutrie >> chaie: let me move back to russia since the psident is there. the issue of georgia and the ukraine in tms ofrussia's intentions and what is important to russia, miael? >> this is a vy tricky issue. as mentioned, we have eanded r alliance system up to russia's borders. ukine and georgiare bot on russia borders and both want to join nato. georgia ry much wts to join, ukraine is dividednd we've taken the decision that country that wishes to jn should be kept out and that doesn't seem have apied to russian the past but that's a dierent matter. the rusans have made clear they tak very siously the prosct of these two coutries nato and they wou not be silent a respond in some shion if gegia and ukraine join nato. we're in a box. we're in a fix. on o hand it becomes dangerous to go a

heaid wee in the middle of a movie th started in september and he's not sure how long ts movie is and wheit's going to en did say the stimulus paage was not enough. >> the stimulus s never designed tact fast. ped it would start trickling in. and in general, i think -- i believedn the stimulus and would probably bieve in another on but they maybe overrated the terms of their abity to end a recession fast. >> but if yore advocating another one, are they overrad? >> i think they're usefu but i thk anybody who looks at them as a panacea is king a mistake. but they're usefulthey're useful. >>hat do you think should be done now? do you think there should be anher stimulus right now? >> i think there probly should be, but i wouldn expect miracles of it. >> but so little of the $800 billion stimulusas already been spent. should we wait and see unt moref that money is out there? >> well, if you had anotr one, you try to load it on the chrimatree as possible for specic constituents the president said that originally let's go with the ovel-ready projec and congress got into the act and watered i

heaid he's seeing signs of stabilization in the auto industry. for the month of june he sd orders have gone up 10% for class 8 ucks and obviously we know the headlines here. we got to those earlier,ut the earnings upbt on top and bott line. on the tope it was $4.2 lln versus expectations of $3.9 billion. bottom line, their consecuti quarter losses but fewer ces lost on the share basis than many were anticipating, 26 cents loss ahare versus expections of 38 cents a loss. >> it's karen. did he talk about the brkdown in the airline business, what are ey seeg there? >> he's actually talking about it rightow and i've got it of a little light on the speaker because i'talking with you. and i will definely twt that soon as we have that information. sorry. >> did he stressthgh, the bott line? what i think is thesguys a ve close if not free cash flow positive forhe first time in a long time, their ban sheet what's worried people. if they can withstanthe downturn, this is the ory. >> absolutely. the cost side has be a major element they've been exping throu

i think ouriewersonight want clifation on exactly what wasrahm emanuel talking about when heaid it was negotiable withrepublicans w itcame to the public optioand the meeting was called last night abruptlyn the hill. you were on n th meeti. descbe it for us p i was in that meetin rahm emanuel came a told the decratic cauc that president obama continues e four-sare behind a public option. wants a public option in the healthare plan and that's what we expect to give him from the house of representatives a that's what they pect receive. wehink it's absoluty critical that the public option ben the national health care plan. we just s reason why. if we don't have public option there's no way we can protect erican families and rate payers frothe kinds of schemes that senatorrockefell just exposed in his report. $1 billion ripping off tir policyho policyholders, and there n way to prote them from that if we do not have a public health optionthat's overwhelmingly supported by the american people. >> congressman, how muchfuel is this going to put on the issue of pushing for public option n that

heaid something about the 5% of caseshat we're all driven by. he said something to tffect and in those difcult cases the critical iredient is applied by what is in jue' heart. well, i have no way of knowing what is in your heart any more than youave knowing what isn hear so that, to me, i an absurd dangers standard and maybe something od could come out of these hearin. if we stt applyingthat to nominees, it wi ruin th judiciary. i have no idea wat is in your heart any more th youhave idea wt is in my heart and i think it tak us down a very dangerous road as a country when we start doing that. now, there was a time when someone like scalia and ginsburg got 95 plus votes. if you wereonfused about where scalia was cing down as a judge, you shouldn't be voting any more than if you were a mystery about what jue giburg was going to do in ese 5% of the cases. that is no mystery. there's some aspect to viewat i'm not sure about that gives me hope that you may not go dow the senator feingold' road when it comes to the r on terror and we'ltalk about that

. >> rose: heaid to presidt kennedy... >>e said to mr. knedy, you'rerong, presidentennedy. present kennedy, we had a soft ssage from kruschev that we coul accept. we have a tough messa that we couldn't accept. the tough mesge had been publicized before we received it. e soft message was sent in secret. we wante to.... >> rose: but t soft message ca before the tough message. >> well, it's a littl uncertain. a little uncertain. you're right, it did but it's not clear in... in any event, whicmessage to spond to. tommsaid "you' got to respond..." the majity of nnedy's advisor said "resnd to the tgh message." >> rose: including you friend genel lemay. >> yeah, but tommy said "mr. president, respond the soft message the president sa that'shat's ong with you, tommy, youon't understand politics. no political leader can put out a tough messagein the public d in a sense accept a lesser deal than that. he couldn't survive. mmy said "mrpresident, i know that man, i've lived with him. i knew his wife." he and jane, his wife, had live with kruschev,acations and otherwe. he said "i belve

craft, one of the great lio of nasa wl tell yo- he was alsohosen because that's whe the rotation was heaid, you knowno slur on any of the pilots who flew any missns. >> rose: ybody could have ge up the rotation? >> the rotation came up, if "apollo 1 hadn't worked pete conrad would have beenhe first man onhe moon. if "apollo 12" hadn't worked, al shepherd would have bee first and he and "apollo 13 13-" lar switch becausehepherd needed more traing time. so whoever was next in le would haveeen the first. >> rose: is the one first amonequals? >> i asked chris craft that. if you ask me i would sayim lovell. i'm biased. jim and have woed together. >>ose: "apollo 13" "gemini 7." >> rose: tom hanks. >> exactly. jim wasnd still is a fantaic rudder and sck man. frank boorman, comnder of "apollo 8" was considered a true geni in terms of his natural feel. heas a caion astronaut but a terrifically adept o. but chricraft, when i asked him that question, said "who is t best pure pilot whover flew under your xand?" and he said "i'm not trying to give you theappropriate answer. i alwaysaid theest crew that

in the black community, it's like higher. 71% think what heaid was appropriate, but if you stop and think about this for a second, that means about a third of black america thinks he didn't handle this well and that's surprising because as i can tell you as a black person sitting here, there's a lot of tension between black men and police. you know, police can overreact quite quickly. but in this situation, the president spoke without the facts and said you can't have a teachable moment if it's based on a lie. what happened is the president reacted and spoke, he spoke about racial profiling and said he acted on this as a state legislator, but this is not about racial profiling. this is about a guy breaking into his house, the neighbor appropriately calls the police who come in response to that. once the police come ask who are you, who else is in the house and then professor gates, according to the police report, begins to berate the officer, talk about his moth, and ask do you know who i am, you don't know who you're dealing with, and continues this after gates is pulled out of the house

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but heaid he had go to rwanda, went to some sort of museum or exhibition tt commemoratedhe -- or markeddyn rwanda. there was a photogph of a 12-year-old boy and gaveis name that he loved soccer andhe wanted to be a doctor and prided his biography. and the last line on this exhibi said that right before he and h mother was killed, he turned to his mother and he said, "don't worry, the united natis is going to come se us." and thatoice has to be heard in intnational relations. e threshold at which international intervention is appropriate i thk has to be ry high. ere has to be a strong international outreach at what's taking place it's notlwayoing to be a neat decion. and the are going to b objeio to just about any decision becau there are some in t international cmunity who believe that ate sovereignty is srosanct and youever intervene under any circumstances in somody's internal affrs. you know, i think rather than cus on hypothetics, what my administtion wants to do is to build up internation norms, put pressure, economic, diplomaticet cetera onatio that a t acting in accordance with u

this is -- go back tle netta's may 15th statent where heaid let me be clear.ot our practice or our policy to mislead the congress. its against our lawsnd values. w this flies in the face of that in a very, very serious way. >> well, an, the cia saidt again yesterdater your lett ce out. >> exaly. i think into they simply do no want to acknowledge that the congress wasnot fully informed. and they ha an obligat joe, under the national security act of 1947 to fully andn a timely way to informhe congress. >>right. >> so this is a serious as it gets. i do give leon credit for coming up to the hill and informing us. he hadust been informed hielf but this is -- tis flin the face of th responsility, the full reonsibility of former cia directors where time and time again theommittee asks is there anything else that we do not know? and they sd absolute not. >> s i guess the qestion is -- >> we can't operate todo the work the american people expect us to do. if they're n going be forthcin >> you're t in a position to have orsight. and you and i, i'm sure as we know fro wr