the playing field but osha is a workplace safety agency, it's the occupational safety and health administration. so there will still be unvaccinated people and risks outside the workplace. this is a public health concern and it's not, it's hard i believe to tie exposure to covid as a public health concern specifically to the workplace. you heard mention about noise standards and the blood borne pathogen standard. you understand that those exposures to noise or to blood or other potentially infectious materials happened at work. there's an occurrence that leads to that exposure. here, it is not the same where, this is everywhere. we know it is everywhere. it is a public health concern. to have it fall to osha i think is difficult. >> ok. thank you. i'm going to ask another question. the cargo airline association, a trade group for the air cargo companies like ups and fedex is warning that the administration of compliance with the federal contract vaccine mandate will create havoc in the supply chain during the busiest time of the year. do you anticipate a similar situation once the osha ets is i

osha you mentioned there, the occupational safety and health administration. determine where federal authority begins and ends? well, we're going to be at a place, this is little bit tricky because this is happening in the fifth circuit in the united states, the fifth circuit court of appeals, but there are other cases around the nation. what happens next is the test to ask is this in the purview of osha, is this something that addresses workplace safety? in the united states at this time over 745,000 people have died, 1,100 people are dying related every day related to covid—19 infections. and so does this in some way, as it will impact 81 million employees, 32 million that are not vaccinated, does this fall into the purview of something that osha should be looking it? both sides have filed paperwork. what happens next, what kind of timescale are we looking it? well, we're in a little bit of a tricky space once again because this isjust the regulations that have come out. nothing's supposed to actually take effect until january 2a of 2022. so what we're looki

yesterday, the occupational safety and health administration issued a rule requiring employers with 100 or more employees to ensure that each of their workers is fully vaccinated or tests negative for covid-19 once a week. the medicare and medicaid services issued a rule requiring that all workers that health care facilities participating in medicare and medicaid are fully vaccinated. together, these rules and other requirements put in place means that two thirds of all workers in the u.s. are now covered by vaccination requirements. these requirements have broad public support. they work. already we have seen organizations that have adopted vaccination requirements increase vaccination rates by more than 20%. often as high as over 90%. this is good for the workers, further colleagues, for their loved ones, and further communities. it is also good for the economy. a recent survey from the university of chicago showed every economist agreed that requiring staff vaccinations are regular testing among large employers would promote the economic recovery that is faster and stronger than it i

as of friday, the united states department of labour occupational safety and health administration releasedency temporary standards, and what they said was, as you just mentioned, everyone must be vaccinated or agree to weekly testing, if you're not vaccinated, weekly testing and wearing a mask. the response that is coming from the petitioners, this is a group of states, private organisations, religious organisations, have argued that 0sha is exceeding their federal limits, they are impeding on interstate commerce and they are really stepping into things that belong to the states to decide and that this is outside the boundaries of work—based safety. 0sha you mentioned there, the occupational safety and health administration. so what is the test that the court needs to determine where federal authority begins and ends? well, we're going to be at a place, this is little bit tricky because this is happening in the fifth circuit in the united states, the fifth circuit court of appeals, but there are other cases around the nation. what happens next is the test to ask is this in the purview of 0

widening its vaccine mandan ate net soon with word tonight that osha, the occupational safety and health administration quote, assessing administration straightive capacity of smaller businesses with less than a hundred employees to implement the requirements in a quote, timely manner. senior correspondent laura ingle has that story for us tonight. hey, laura. >> hi, kevin. osha announcing a new standard this week for langer private employers to protect their workers from the risk of getting covid-19 and is now reportedly eyeing small businesses, too, and as you can guess there is mountain pushback. the occupational safety and health administration known as osha announced a new vaccine rule thursday that will require some u.s. employers to guarantee all their workers are either fully vaccinated by january 4, or require them to undergo weekly testing and wear masks. the attorneys general in 11 states filed a lawsuit friday to try and block the biden administration's new covid-19 vaccine mandate for private businesses with more than 100 employees, and now osha reports it's checking to see if businesses w

the american heart association and the veterans health administration are uppering female veterans to a checkup for their heart health. they are out with initial findings and are showing higher rates of heart disease. the age adjusted cardiovascular disease for women was more than twice that of women. they have higher risks of obesity, high cholesterol or ptsd. >> none of the things are unique to women veterans but more the confluence of all of these potential risk factors which we think might be raising the risk of cardiovascular disease in our women veteran population. >> dr. haskell urges women veterans to seek out care with the v.a. and get checked out for blood pressure. >>> he wiped out debt for a class. now he wants to empower young people of color by donating more of his wealth with the help of an app. >> and my family is making a grant to eliminate their student loans. >> reporter: you could see it in the faces as robert smith changed their life with a surprise donation. that was two years ago. >> i thought this would be a way to liberate their opportunity to contribute to th

a state governor can stop federal safety and health administrators from protecting the health and safety american citizens is pretty crazy and she seems to be hinting at force. she didn't say i'll send my bureaucrats or my lawyers. >> she said our state police and arrest them. >> right. that's -- first of all, plain unconstitutional. and perhaps this distinguished lady doesn't want to be part of the federal union. the people of arizona probably do. >> she called them goons. >> osha goons, a phrase that's never been used before. >> this is the anti-government language of donald trump. and it is, you know, she is imitating donald trump. and there are candidates, all over, who are doing the same thing because anything is acceptable. any language is acceptable. and it's the bullying language. it's coming from a woman. there you go. >> what do you hear from republicans on capitol hill? republicans out in the states about the future of the party if donald trump continues to wield the power he does, if donald trump continues to endorse candidates like this woman who is obviously troubled in som

biden administration has responded to a temporary freeze against the occupational safety and health administration's rules that mandates employers with 100 or more workers to implement a vaccine requirement or regular testing starting in january. the justice department argues that not allowing the rule what "likely cost dozens or hundreds of lives per day in addition to large number of hospitalizations, other serious health effects, and tremendous costs." >> these are polities protecting workforces and preventing employees from getting sick.! pfizer asked the fda to grant emergency use authorization for it's booster shots for all adults. >> it gives a high level of protection, higher than the original. the protection was 95% with two doses. >> reporter: now only seniors and those at high risk are eligible for the pfizer booster in the u.s. and the surgeon general released a toolkit to help health professionals, educators, and community leaders to come back vaccine misinformation. >> every parent has a right to the fact to make the correct decision for the children. >> reporter: the rollout of the pf

of appeals grant an emergency stay of the requirement by the federal occupation safety and health administration that those workers, the vaccinated by january 4th or face mask requirements and weekly testing. the louisiana attorney general says the court's action halt democratic president joe biden's administration from quote, moving forward with his unlawful overreach. the president has been encouraging widespread vaccinations as the quickest way to get out of the pandemic and stay with us here on kron 4 for all the latest covid information that includes finding a vaccine for your children and much more. you can scan this qr code on your screen right now. you'll be directed to a special section on our website. kron 4 dot com. we'll take a break and be right back. >> in the south bay, a big box store could soon be on the way. the westgate west shopping center in san jose caught the attention of costco wholesale company wants to submit a proposal for an urban warehouse center sometime this month. kron four's gayle ong live now in san jose with reaction from people in the area. so they want to hav

the fifth circuit ruling comes just days after the occupational safety and health administration announced all companies with 100 employees or more must require vaccination or weekly testing starting january 4. the federal government must respond by monday. in houston last night, at least eight people were killed, and dozens more injured, following what is being called a "crowd surge" during the astroworld music festival. around 9:00 p.m., as rapper travis scott began his performance, the crowd, estimated at 50,000 people, reportedly began to push toward the stage. hundreds were reported injured, with 23 people transported to hospitals, with 11 in cardiac arrest. in sierra leone, at least 98 people were killed in the capital of freetown late last night following a fuel tanker explosion. the explosion occurred as people rushed to collect fuel from the leaking vicle following a traffic accident. video showed scenes of chaos and fire through the night, and this morning, revealed the charred remains of those killed, and the destruction of buildings and vehicles. as the united nations climate s

circulated by the occupational safety and health administration the order has now been stalled by theisations, have argued that that they are exceeding their federal limits. that they are stepping into things that belong to the states to decide. elsewhere, germany has so far not gone down the route of compulsory vaccinations. instead, focusing on a voluntary response. but health professionals say they are now seeing a new influx of mostly unvaccinated patients. translation: the average age in our intensive care unit is 40. | the youngest is 35. there is also a 70—year—old patient. the most tragic thing - is that it is often parents, almost all of them unvaccinated, who have become infected. - it is this that has prompted britain to consider making it compulsory for all nhs workers in england to be jabbed from next april. care home workers in england must already be double vaccinated to hold onto theirjobs but it does mean that tens of thousands of care home staff face dismissalfrom thursday, a deadline that is now looming. dangerous overtaking and reckless speeding — shocking dashcam

this is the first part of a two-part series on children's health equity. administrator of -- princess. -- joins us. >> thank you for having me and thank you for tackling this issue. >> of course. before we get to children's health equity, let's talk about the lawsuit seeking to block the administration's vaccine mandate. the suit claims that there was a ruling by your agency that " threatens with job loss health care workers risk their lives in the early days of the pandemic to care for strangers and friends in their communities. your response to that assertion? >> i would start by saying how we came to the conclusion for us to decide that it was critical to acquire a vaccine requirement for the facilities over which we have responsibility which includes medicare and medicaid certified facilities. the virus is leading to people not being able to go to work whether because they are sick or they are quarantining. when we were looking at where in the country we are seeing covid-19 outbreaks and hospitalizations, we wanted to make sure people are safe and we know how much h

that requires the veterans health administration and the veterans event administration that work hand-in-hands well which we know is far from the current reality and we must fix that and that and i hope today's joint hearing is the first of many to, i am grateful to our witnesses for being here and with that, i yield back. >> thank you doctor and we will now move to our panels, we have two panels for today's hearing on the first panel, we have executive director compensation services at the veterans administration and who will deliver the agency's testimony think you for joining us again before committee. and also county by michelle, executive director of outreach economic development of the veterans benefit the ministration and thank you for being here today. i also joined by doctor mcguire director of continuum of care and prevention that the veterans health administration also here today as he was department of veterans affair inspector general michael - and i will start with ms. murphy and recognize you for five minutes for a statement. >> good morning and also the ranking members and oth

of labor has a responsibility to keep worker safe as comes as the occupational safety and health administration, or requiring their workers to be fully vaccinated by january, 4th, or provide a weekly test. the new emergency temporary standard is wit. well, within osha's authority, under the law, and consistent with osha's requirements to protect workers from health and safety hazards, including infectious disease. now vaccine protests continue to emerge all across the globe. here in california, parents rallied against a school vaccine mandate, australia, rome, austria, the netherlands, and brussels all help protest over the weekend against those of vaccine mandates. reporting for news. these hughes and hottest suite, our team now after the break, after 15 months on remand at design, maxwell finally goes on trial. and almost we, outlet seem to fill the case, doesn't deserve coverage. our team does in line or joint that with a defensive latest request. regarding editing 5 a, i saw a message from an on an account with us help you with my passport as its profile major. i saw pictures of my document

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public health is a court state responsibility and what the biden administration is pushing is infringementthe prerogative to be the responsible authority for public health. they tried this once before with the cdc and eviction mandate. the cdc is not the nation's landlord any more than osha is the regulation landlord. i expect the courts will strike down this illegal moratorium from osha. host: do you support or oppose that regulation for employers? if you support, (202)-748-8000. oppose it, (202)-748-8001. robert, greenville, kentucky, good morning. caller: good morning. i want to make clear that i have taken the vaccine and i have encouraged my friends to take it, which they have. what i opposes being told by the government what i should do with my health. i think people should have the right to choose for themselves. host: do you see this as an workplace safety issue and therefore the purview of the federal government? caller: i work in an industry -- i work in the poultry industry and set a processing plant. at the height of the pandemic we took steps, we put dividers between workers,

another proactive approach is to leverage programs to facilitate registration into the veterans health administrationo they have access to health care and support like social work. this is also a prime opportunity to encourage transitioning members to apply for snap. moving forward, i encourage all who strive to encourage food security to balance the need to address immediate food shortages with contribute in factors. once again, i thank the subcommittee and i wish all veterans on the committee and abroad a happy veterans day. chair hayes: i don't think i was unmuted. thank you for your testimony. i now recognize our final witness, mr. keith. mr. keith: good morning or afternoon. now, i am confused with all of the zoom stuff. chairwoman hayes, ranking member bank in -- bacon and distinguished members. i have worked since i was 11 years old. i never had to worry about being hungry. i just work and i would eat. it was not until i could not work that i experienced real hunger. i suffered an injury at work. after two years of surgeries and physical therapy, occupational therapy, it was another two years

public health is a court state responsibility and what the biden administration is pushing is infringement on the prerogative to be the responsible authority for public health. they tried this once before with the cdc and eviction mandate. the cdc is not the nation's landlord any more than osha is the regulation landlord. i expect the courts will strike down this illegal moratorium from osha. host: do you support or oppose that regulation for employers? if you support, (202)-748-8000. oppose it, (202)-748-8001. robert, greenville, kentucky, good morning. caller: good morning. i want to make clear that i have taken the vaccine and i have encouraged my friends to take it, which they have. what i opposes being told by the government what i should do with my health. i think people should have the right to choose for themselves. host: do you see this as an workplace safety issue and therefore the purview of the federal government? caller: i work in an industry -- i work in the poultry industry and set a processing plant. at the height of the pandemic we took steps, we put dividers between worke

legal challenge to the biden administration's department of labor occupational safety and health administrationmergency temporary standard, the requirement that businesses with 100 or more employees require vaccination or weekly testing. we just believe that oversteps osha's authority given to them by congress. that is one legal challenge we have. it is a very fluid situation. there is a temporary injunction on the current vaccine mandate requirement. it is very fluid and they will be developments in the next couple of weeks on that likely. host: kevin kuhlman joining us. it was during his renomination announcement that the president talked about his assessment of the economy particularly when it came to inflation. i want to play you a little of what he had to say and get your thoughts. [video clip] >> last year, the pandemic shutdown much of the global economy. now, there is a global reawakening creating both an incredible opportunity and tough challenges. as economies all across the world come back from this pandemic, america is leading the way. like every country in the world, we have to dea

this is the first part of a two-part series on children's health equity. administratorf -- princess. -- joins us. >> thank you for having me and thank you for tackling this issue. >> of course. before we get to children's health equity, let's talk about the lawsuit seeking to block the administration's vaccine mandate. the suit claims that there was a ruling by your agency that " threatens with job loss health care workers risk their lives in the early days of the pandemic to care for strangers and friends in their communities. your response to that assertion? >> i would start by saying how we came to the conclusion for us to decide that it was critical to acquire a vaccine requirement for the facilities over which we have responsibility which includes medicare and medicaid certified facilities. the virus is leading to people not being able to go to work whether because they are sick or they are quarantining. when we were looking at where in the country we are seeing covid-19 outbreaks and hospitalizations, we wanted to make sure people are safe and we know how much hea

. >> the occupational safety and health administration we called osha founded 50 years ago 1971 in order to prevent workplace injuries. it things like explosions acme chemical plants.ng they did that again for 50 year but this summer osha submission started to change it. it became political. the agency began advancing the biden administration's agenda o universal vacs a shot for every body whether they wanted a not. first lucia announced that employers do not need to record adverse reactions from covid 19 vaccine. so when you're the safety agenc be sure that the pay attention to the safety of the drug are forcing people to take. ignore it. that's an order. osha begin studying whether covid posed a threat to america workplaces. this is significant because if it did them biden could cite osha's conclusions as a justification for his mandatory shop. osha's numbers proved it just the opposite. the data once collected showed outside of hospitals and clinic covid was not endangering workers in the united states. from a legal standpoint that wa the end of osha's authority. it cannot issue a uni

states are telling that the vitamin is ration's push to have osha the occupational safety and health administration implement the vaccine mandate that would require all employers with at least 100 workers to either be fully vaccinated or go under th clay testing. unvaccinated workers will have to wear a mask we met were to fight it to the better and because of president does not have the authority to force people to get a vaccine and threaten them with their jobs. >> most of the state of kansas kentucky and louisiana are the exceptions. private employers have signed onto the anti- mandate litigation including a religiou broadcaster a restaurant chain in the republican national committee. critics say osha is going behin the scope of its authority enacting the mandate. some lawmakers in florida suggested replacing ocean the state with its own regulatory agency. any replacement will be held to the same federal standards. >> we have a responsibility to protect from floridians regardless of those mandates it. >> at a three-judge panel issue a temporary stay of the mandate biden administration believes i

under this requirement from the department of labor's occupational safety and health administration.r 100 workers have to be fully vaccinated by january 4th or be tested and the employees pays for those tests. if the company is noncom pliant. there are hefty fines. the first starts at $13,000 and goes up. and all healthcare workers will require to be vaccinated. that's another 17 million workers. they have no testing option. the rnc is promising to sue the biden administration over this overreach. the attorney general from florida said they will file a lawsuit with alabama and georgia. and over 3 dozen senate republicans announced they will use the congressional review act to block the new rule. >> we need to take them to court. everybody has to make their choice. we should stand up and sue legally and see if we can get the supreme court to say this is not american. >> this is coming at a time when companies are struggling to hire and retain employees with supply chain disruptions as well. the white house says these will help hiring and retention but the deadline is for after the bus

centers of disease control or the power of osha the division of health and safety and safety and health administration to impose mandates on private sector employees. >> obviously you reference the supreme court overturned the b. mask band that what are the most important decisions that have impacted modern life in the modern time? i find it hard to have a lot of faith in that world be a counter to many o things. they are good judges they came out of the trump administration. brettse kavanaugh. >> brown v. education gave the court and enormous prestige infusion because it went against public opinion and everyone knew it did not just public opinion in the south. how many remember brown v. board of education was against the board of education of topeka kansas and north are segregationist committee and the fact is courts exist in majorities. can i give you my. >> a? >> please. as a michigander i love it. >> lincoln country. champ lane county court house typical midwestern city a big square courthouse. lincoln a prosperous lawyer within the champlain county courthouse and douglas the illinois center succe

the occupational safety and health administration, which is the administrative agency charged with implementingency temporary standard that requires a vaccination mandate at workplaces that employee more than 100 employees typically has been charged with regulating dangerous chemicals and dangerous workplace conditions. the administration argues that the fact that there is a deadly virus that is circulating is one of those deadly workplace conditions. but the states argue that's not the case, that this exceeds osha's charge, which is really focused on the regulation of true workplace hazards. and they have some law on their side. there have been about nine different emergency temporary standards issued by osha during its history. a number of them have been challenged, but only one has actually survived and been upheld, and it was involving a chemical that was used in rubber manufacturing. this may be a little far afield. as you have also noted, this one came before the 5th circuit, which is a notoriously more conservative circuit. unlikely biden administration is going to find a receptive home

yesterday, the occupational safety and health administration issued a rule to require employers with or more employees to make sure that each of their workers is fully vaccinated or tests negative for covid-19 at least once a week. the centers for medicare and medicaid services issued a rule requiring that all workers at healthcare facilities participating in medicare and medicaid are fully vaccinated. these rules along with other requirements we have put in place mean that two their's of all workers in the united states are covered by vaccine requirements. these requirements have broad public support and they were. -- and they were. -- and they work. almost over 90%. this is good for the workers, for their colleagues, for their loved ones and for their communities. it is also good for the economy. in a recent university of chicago survey, every economist agreed that requiring staff vaccinations and regular testing among large employers would promote the economic recovery that is faster and stronger than it is now. analysts at goldman sachs project these kind of requirements could le

safety and health administration. to impose mandates on private sectors. >> what you think and obviously this is the supreme court overturned the eviction fan by emergency powers and you can also be that or what you think that the most important decision that is impacted american life in the modern time. our member john roberts being reluctant to overturn obama care and then also on the attachment eight pretty kindhearted have a lot of faith in what is coming and that there will be a counter to many things. >> it depends on board of education it which gave the court an enormous prestige the future because it went against public opinion and everyone knew it and not just public opinion, how many americans remember the board of education voted against the board of education of topeka, kansas. this was morere than segregation story and the fact is that they exist for the majority's. in my spiel predict. [inaudible]. >> and somebody also around a te midwest. >> champagne county courthouse typical midwestern scene, square a

appeals granted an emergency stay of the requirement by the federal occupational safety and health administration's osha that those workers have to be vaccinated by january 4th or face mask requirements and weekly test. the louisiana attorney general says that the court's actions halt democratic president joe biden's administration from moving forward with his unlawful overreach. the president has been encouraging widespread vaccinations at the quickest way out of the covid-19 pandemic. i know the kron 4 dot com. you can stay up to date on the latest covid-19 headlines, including where you can sign up for vaccinations for your children. just use your mobile device to scan the qr code on your screen to get directed to our website. >> now to the south bay where police say they arrested a gang member from los angeles after finding a loaded pistol pistol inside a diaper bag during a traffic stop. police say the loaded gun was next to the one year-old child but officers searched the car and in milpitas, they plan on conducting a dui checkpoint from 9 o'clock tonight until 3 in the morning. the checkpo

health and safety, safety and health administration. to impose mandates on private sector employees. >> .. going to this technicality on the tax mandate. i find it hard to have a lot of faith in what's coming and that there would be a counter too many things although conservatives get judges out of trump administration. >> guest: depends on what you consider modern but brown v. the board of education which gave the court an enormous pastiche infusion because it went against public opinion and everyone knew it. not just public opinion in the south. how many americans remember brown v. the board of education was against the board of education of topeka, kansas? this was a northern segregation story. the fact is courts exist to stand against majorities. i give you my little central spiel from central illinois. >> host: as a michigander i'd like some who is also from around the midwest. >> guest: lincoln country. champaign county courthouse, typical midwestern, square big red sandstone codis. according to local lore link in a very prosperou

osha, the occupational safety and health administration has suspended its enforcement of the vax mandateow apparently illegal. we have details from alex berenson the authority on this. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: so almost a year in, here's what we know. here is what science tells us about the covid vaccine. there is some evidence that the vaccines lower the incidence of hospitalization and death. there is no evidence whatsoever that the vaccines prevent infection or transmission of covid. in other words, the unvaccinated pose precisely no risk to the vaccinated that the vaccinated don't pose to the unvaccinated. period. so there is no justification, scientific justification for the vaccine mandates any more than there is justification for mandated colony scope or prostate exam. it's insane. and now it's been suspended. on or about shoe has suspended its enforcement of biden's vaccine mandates for private employers. the move comes after a federal appeals court blocked that mandate. berenson has been on this with clarity and grasp of science that virtually no one else possesses. a

. >> that rule comes from the deferment of labor's occupational safety and health administration, andlies to private businesses with 100 or more employees. it mandates that workers who don't get fully vaccinated get tested weekly. by that same january 4 deadline, 17 million health care workers and facilities that receive medicare or medicaid funding must get vaccinated. marty walsh is the secretary of labor. he joins me now. welcome back to the newshour. you are not requiring vaccines for those 84 private sector -- 84 million private sector employees. if we know shots work and slow the spread of the virus, why not just require them? >> because what we want to do is get as many people as possible -- get as many people vaccinated as possible. testing and also masks. we did not do a mandate. the emergency temporary standard recognizes people in different situations. >> but you did require them for those health care workers, the 17 million who work in those facilities. why the requirement there? >> because that is a whole different case when we are talking about people working around peop

biden administration does not have the authority to impose this using the applicant patient health administration says the president is basing this on an imminent threat but is certainly taking his time. >> it took him six weeks to write the role and it doesn't go into effect until january, we are going to be challenging that. i think this rule is absolutely going down. >> governor desantis has support from other states including south dakota. here's governor christie nome. >> i've already signed an executive order that protected our people from this unconstitutional action but i am announcing you that we are joining several other states and filing litigation against this unconstitutional mandate. >> while the biden administration clearly believes it has the leverage to make this happen, the headwinds appear to be ratcheting up a notch or two. >> shannon: trace gallagher, thank you very much. friday november 12th will be vaccination awareness day for chicago public schools. officials in the windy city announcing tonight that classes will be canceled in order to allow kids the opportunity to get t