>> guest: healton -- you know, yeltsin was a much more elemental figure, and i think you begin to put the destruction of the soviet union ahead of these other issues. and i think that yeltsin would have gone along for the abolition of nuclear weapons if the united states hadn't moved with issues such as the nato expansion, the bombing of serbia, actions which seem to leave russia out of it and i think those were big geopolitical mistakes and need the clinton administration and they were not corrected in the second bush administration. >> "after words" and several other c-span programs are available for podcast. more with jack matlock and dimitri simes in a moment.