such hearing. it's the final planned summer hearing that the committee has announced. however, members very well could add more hearings as we move through the rest of the summer and into the fall. there's even late reporting from nbc tonight that they will announce this evening that more hearings will be scheduled in september. so they're going to focus a lot on what former president trump did or did not do during the violence inside the capitol on january 6th. and with that, we welcome you in here to kron 4 news at 5. thanks for being with us. i'm grant lotus. i'm justine waltman in for vicki tonight, representatives ali, laura and adam king tons or are expected to take a lead roles at the hearing tonight. >> representative bennie thompson, it's going chair the hearing remotely because he has covid-19. but that committee is expected to piece together what happened in those 187 minutes between when the former president gave his speech and then his final pre-recorded video when he asked protesters

with every hearing, we see more evidence.he community -- committee has been connecting a lot of the dots. it has put pressure on officials to do something. we heard from congresswoman liz cheney, who brought another instance of witness tampering. she said they referred the case to the department of justice. they are sharing more information between the committee and department of justice. we will see how the case -- department of justice is able to build a case. but they are under a lot of pressure. >> patsy pallone set for eight hours -- pat sipple only sat for eight hours. we saw testimony this week. how significant of a figure is the former white house counsel? >> he's providing an enormous amount of intelligence and insight about what was happening leading up to and the j -- day of january 6. there were questions whether he would testify or vote executive privilege. might be in a better position to adjudicate on what is new and what we have learned. it seems a lot of the facts, we have kind of known. there were great repo

what do you want to hear from him?hat i want to hear from him is, one, is why the committee has -- he's met their expectations, which would lay out an awful lot. two, i want to understand how, you know, why he would still insist there is a privilege. they're not telling us what the privileges are, whether it's executive privilege, whether it's attorney/client, whether it's some other privilege he's claiming but he is invoking privilege. there was a little clip of that today. so i would like to hear the whole story, and i would like to hear it unfettered and uncensored if you will. >> john dean, real a appreciate it. >> back with our panel. joining us, oddy cornish and alyssa griffin who served as director of strategic communications in the former administration. what do you think came out of today? how big of a deal was it to hear vice chair liz cheney say the end hearing that somebody who was going to testify or has testified was contacted by the former president? >> i mean, obviously, the chairwoman cheney, she's bee

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hearing. but of those that have been watching the initial hearings only 6% changed their mind. it said about one in 10 republicans have changed their mind. the same poll asked what people think about american democracy in general. the number of people who thinks the american system is sound has also decreased since the last time the poll was taken. but when it comes to watching the hearing it found 6% overall. we also have another poll that came out recently. the majority of people think former president trump was somewhat responsible for what happened january 6, but they do not believe he will be charged. 57% of americans up from 53% in january said he deserves at least a good amount of the blame for what happened at the u.s. capitol. half of them think he should be charged with crimes but only 28% of u.s. adults think he will face criminal charges. most republicans, but even 45%, do not think former president trump should be charged. we want to hear from you and we go to the phone lines in j

hearing. but of those that have been watching the initial hearings only 6% changed their mind. it said about one in 10 republicans have changed their mind. the same poll asked what people think about american democracy in general. the number of people who thinks the american system is sound has also decreased since the last time the poll was taken. but when it comes to watching the hearing it found 6% overall. we also have another poll that came out recently. the majority of people think former president trump was somewhat responsible for what happened january 6, but they do not believe he will be charged. 57% of americans up from 53% in january said he deserves at least a good amount of the blame for what happened at the u.s. capitol. half of them think he should be charged with crimes but only 28% of u.s. adults think he will face criminal charges. most republicans, but even 45%, do not think former president trump should be charged. we want to hear from you and we go to the phone lines in j

any of the hearings. he still believes that former president trump is a clear and present danger. he tolds me that he hopes the american people are tuning in and taking this in and someone like that who is so connected to all of this, he's saying he's looking at the clips and learning about it, and making sure he's sort of watching along and that tells you how overwhelming some of these hearings can be. that being said, it is striking that there is this shift at least among independents about how they see january 6th, and i also think it's important to note that lawmakers are trying to do two things here. they were trying to capture the attention of americans while also speaking to the history books and trying to make sure that they documented step by step what they say was president trump's conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election. >> the poll also shows the top mobilizing issue was inflation or abortion rights, vaughn. it's not as if january 6th is the thing that people say will drive them out to the po

the hearings. when they look at the topic of all voters of those following the hearing, there is an approval of a from the period of july 28 of 2021. as far as the january 6 hearings are, the hill posted a story taking a look at things learned from watching the hearings. when watching the hearings, the first thing gay is that the president ignored the advice of his aides. the president spent weeks forecasting that if he suffered a loss, it could be due to fraud. he jumped into claim victory. the president's campaign manager told the president the night of the election. amongst other things learned from watching the hearings, some in his orbit, including his daughter accepted that there was no voter fraud. the president's daughter said she believed the conclusion that there was no widespread voter fraud -- she goes on to say during the hearing, i respect that what he was saying, that there was no widespread election fraud. there are other categories as well. with that in mind, from you, watching the

s january 6 hearing. >>> a live picture from capitol hill as the public hearings into january 6 resume today. as the committee prepares to tie the trump white house to the extremist groups that led the attack. we'll tell you what more to expect. and we'll have the latest from ukraine, amid reports that iran is now supplying russia with weapons. we're also following the latest on that search for survivors in the apartment building collapse over the weekend. >>> and concerns for republicans aheads of the midterms of the environment seems right for the gop to take control of the senate but we'll explain why or whom may be holding the party back. e holding th >>> good morning. and welcome to "way too early." on this tuesday, july 12th. i'm jonathan lemire. thanks for joining us. the next hearing into the january 6 attack is this afternoon at 1:00. with a focus on the violent mob. the committee says it will examine how former president trump summoned his supporters to the capitol to threaten the certification of the election when he tweeted, big protest in dc on january 6th. be there, will

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what do we know, what are we hearing? >> there may be more to come after the final currently scheduled hearing next week , halle, and the possible future hearings fall into two broad categories. the first is when that report by the committee comes out regarding their finding that could be in september, it could even be in october. the committee leading the door wide open to holding another hearing to disclose some of the findings. the second is the category of what you might call the known unknown there is no information coming to the attention on a regular basis. they say their witnesses are coming forward as these hearings move forward. some people like steve hannon who didn't want to cooperate in the past suddenly say now they want to talk to the committee. they are subpoenaed, in the eyes of the committee, that have not been fulfilled yet including from mark meadows, a big question is also jeffrey clark, who didn't appear to disclose much when he did speak to this committee. there has been a possibility of a contempt

the course of these hearings. a president say, basically, mike pence may deserve to be hanged. it leads you to the conclusion that if mike pence, god forbid, had been hanged outside the capitol, we still don't know where those came from, if that had happened, and that it allowed trump to stay in power, we are left with the conclusion that would have been fine with him. people running through the capitol saying, where is nancy? would that have led to some kind of physical danger for the speaker of the house? what i'm worried about is that we get so familiar with this story that we think this is the way that american history operates. we have never seen anything like this. this is way off the track of democracy. we have to get back on it, make sure we never get off again. >> it's not just hyperbole. we heard from secret service agents that day over the radios. you could hear the fear in their voice. we heard from that security official in white house saying that over the radio, they could hear secret service agents

>> i think the hearings always have surprises so i anticipate tomorrow's hearing is nothing short ofhat. >> we expect to hear pat cipollone's closed door interview including what he witnessed at a meeting on december 18, 2020, at the white house welcoming a group of extreme election deniers to block joe biden's certification as pl. >> exactly. joining us now is pamela brown. good morning. a lot of the analysis ahead of the hearing is it might be the most complex case to make. can you explain why and what we know about at least some of the witnesses? i don't think we know about all the witnesses, right? >> that's right. bottom line here is the reason why it's called a complex case compared to the other hearings is what the committee is setting out to do is draw connections between people in trump's orkt and extremists and extremist groups. and how trump's actions, tweets such as december 19 calling people to the capitol building saying it will be wild and spurred on the extremists to go to the capitol building. one is steven ayers that pleaded guilty to going to the capitol and enteri

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and the 8th hearing the u. s. house select committee investigating the january 6 right on. capitals getting underway. these are life pitchers. the primary event is expected to detail, then president donald trump's actions in the 3 hours between his speech urging the crowd to fight like hell. and the final release with video urging the writers to go home. during that time, trump supporters breached capital and fought with police to former white house aides, who quit after the right are due to testify. last week does she have returns? he who is live on capitol hill? so finally, the event is getting underway. one of the people watching this, i'm sure is going to be donald trump. ah, what are we expecting to see or hear? in the next coming hours? the committee is going to try and make a case. that's what we saw in that 187 minutes or the 187 minutes that are going to give us a blow by blow account off between. when donald trump finished his speech at the white as having summoned his supporters to washington on january

i'm told that as they planned these hearings, one of the first dress rehearsals, the initial hearing could have run as long as four hours because they had so much content and evidence that they believed was necessary to share with the american people. as a result, they still have a lot that didn't make it into the hearing that they will release at different point. a adam kenz ger released a preview to the hearing. on that day, none of that content was in the hearing itself. we saw this today. there's a good chance we're going to see more examples of this in the days ahead, particularly in the month of august, where the committee plans to do most of its work behind closed doors. we should expect them to release this type of content and evidence as they lead into these next round of hearings, which will take place in september. >> ryan nobles, appreciate it. thank you. for more on marc short, the federal grand jury, and what it could mean, we're joined by jeffrey toobin. greg jacob, marc short testified in front of a federal grand jury. >> it's a big deal, especially in the big picture

. >> january 6 committee holds another hearing. showing nevebefore seen video. >> president trump didn't fail to act during the 187 minutes, he chose not to act. >> lawmakers focus on what president trump did not call off the mob during the capital attack. >> donald trump knows that millions of americans who supported him would stand up and defend our nation were threatened. on january 6, donald trump turned their love of country into a weapon against our capital and our constitution. >> condemn his actions. >> doing well, i'm getting a lot of work done. >> president biden, the most powerful and protected a man -- man in america test positive for covid-19. his diagnosis means for the country and what it says of the viruunrelenting threat. next. ♪ >> this is washington week. corporate funding is provided by >> for 25 years, consumer cellular's goal has been to provide wireless service. we provide a variety of plants and our team can help find one that fits you. >> additional funding is provided by the you and foundation. committed t

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you have not yet seen in these hearings.person declined to answer or respond to president trump's call, and instead, alerted their lawyer to the call. their lawyer alerted us. and this committee has supplied that information to the department of justice. let me say one more time, we will take any effort to influence witness testimony very seriously. >> following that incredible revelation, there was lots of speculation about who the witness might be. but we now know that it was someone who worked in the white house, with donald trump, someone who may have been watching and listening, as trump and his inner circle plotted the coup. and this unnamed witness, would likely be in a position to corroborate some of the explosive testimony we heard from cassidy hutchinson just last month, about the details donald trump's attempt to lead armed rioters to the capitol on january 6th. the committee is working to protect this witness, as chairman bennie thompson told reporters. >> are we going to hear from this witness? >> i would doubt

caller: two hearings ago.aller: are you talking about -- host: are you talking about the direction the secret service had with the president? caller: she said trump grabbed the wheel and the secret service came back and announced that statement of hers. i do not know when the secret service actually gain respectability to have anything to say. they do not have a very good track record, i don't think. host: you don't trust the denouncing of her testimony? caller: correct. when she explained why she testified, that was totally credible, the way she explained herself and why she testified, totally believable. host: the vice chair of the committee, liz cheney yesterday posed the question of should people trust former president trump given what they allege if he should win again in 2024. did you vote for president trump? caller: absolutely not. absolutely not. the polls were so full, i cannot vote for either person, ok? i cannot. i did not get in the polls in time. it did not happen for me. i did not have a positiv

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it do not hear it, refused to hear it.to put up that photograph again of this police officer in highland park, and what he was dealing with yesterday. and, shannon, at various points in our history the vietnam war, the civil rights movement, the 1960s, there were certain photographs that told the story more powerfully than anything any speech anyone could give. this photograph, for me, i hope is one of those photographs. that this police officer should not have seen what he had to see, should not be dealing with what he has to deal with, the community he serves should not be suffering thus, and yet, the words we say do not get through to the people who are enabling this to happen. >> the photograph is stunning, and it is tragic, and in the stories that are coming out including the parents of a toddler who were killed leaving this two-year-old orphan, this community is traumatized forever. in fact, i think our nation is traumatized right now. i think we are all dealing with trauma from gun violence that happens every single

we want to hear from these witnesses. some we want to hear from again. we want to put them under oath if they weren't previously so we can understand exactly what was happening january 5th and 6th. >> that's how the committee is approaching its probe. meanwhile, new signs that the justice department criminal probe is picking up steam. the top aide to mike pence cooperating, we believe work a subpoena to face the doj's grand jury, and based on the public evidence right now that would make him the highest ranking trump official to go in and face what is a criminal grand jury impanelled to deal with potential crimes. when they start interviewing people in the white house, the question, is what are they asking about? do they think they were crimes in the white house? i want to get to our guests. i'm join bid david kornacki, and speak of the law, donna perry, former deputy attorney general for the state of new york. welcome to both of you. i want to go to david first, not on the law, but on the mounting evidence. this committee hearing late last week clearly

>> not necessarily the hearings, what is happening outside of the hearings. trump was a super villain, but he was getting things done. i'm not necessarily a republican or democrat, but i appreciate a man who will get something done for americans. i don't see anything wrong with making american group -- america great again. what's wrong with that? >> let's hear from germantown, tennessee, democrats line, janice, go ahead. >> i have watched all eight of them, i have been listening to the calls, and i agreed with may be a couple but i disagree with a lot. first of all, there is racism and trump is a pure racist. some of the republicans, -- they are ok. i don't agree with that. i am proud of mike pence. he did his due diligence. he did what he was supposed to. i respect him for that. i am not against republicans, i am not a republican, i have always been democrat, i never voted for trump, but how can you say it is a scam when they show him at the podium -- the powerful wards. -- words. sometimes we don't think of the words that we say and we say them anyway. i do

six hearing. they were held in the middle of the workday. that is just not convenient for most americans, particularly when the hearings are hours long like today's was. our predecessors in the news business either re-air or we kept watergate hearings every night in primetime when that investigation was underway 1973. we know now looking back at history that that was a good decision by news organizations back then. it was a service to the country at the time in a mental lot, so we hear at msnbc have committed to do the same for every daytime hearing from the january 6th investigations. whether or not you are able to watch these hearings live let's go. here is the main revelations from the investigators. we will go through them one by one. let's start with what i think may be the two most explosive points that were made today. both of them brand-new and both very specific. the first is how the mob of trump supporters ended up at the u.s. capitol building on january 6th. remember the rally was not a

we may be towards the end of this tranche of hearings, we may have more hearings in the future and the investigation is still ongoing. we're getting to the bottom of what we need to know. >> trch hearings. what does that mean? how many more do you have? >> this is the eighth hearing. this is the end in this grouping. i fully expect when the report comes out we may have a hearing or two around that, but of course as you saw with cassidy hutchinson, if we get information the american people may need to know, we mabrey up more hearings at that time too. >> i want to ask you about the former overstock ceo patrick byrne. he said there is so much interest because it all comes down to the crux of history comes down to it. then his lawyer said, stop talking. what is the crux of history? >> it's hard to get in the mind of somebody like patrick byrne? it seems patrick believes there's a deep state conspiracy or at least have the deep state way of the government. i don't know what would have come next in his mind but i can tell you his -- he seems a little unmorphed in reality and public policy.

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we have seen them pop up during the hearings with emergency hearings. what we reported yesterday is that we think the primetime hearing next thursday will focus on the juxtaposition between the violence and chaos happening for nearly 3 hours here on capitol hill with what was going on in the white house with the former president not doing nearly enough to stop the violence, despite the fact that all of his advisors say that he could have come and should have, dunmore. it is something we saw a teaser from from the top white house counsel, pat cipollone, yesterday. >> wouldn't have been possible for the president to march down to the podium in the briefing room and talk to the nation at any time between then and the time after four clock? >> it would have been possible. >> reporter: we have covered the white house. we know the walk it would be from the oval office to that white house briefing podium. we know what cipollone says is in fact the case. it would've been very possible for the former president to walk down to that podium and given on camera resp

not yet seen in these hearings. this committee has supplied that information to the department of justice. >> tonight, one of the committee members who led today 's hearing, congressman jamie raskin of maryland. >> plus nicole wallace, lawrence o'donnell, stephanie ruhle, alex wagner, joy reid, chris hayes all here for our primetime recap of the seventh hearing from the january 6th investigation. >> good evening, i'm rachel maddow here at msnbc headquarters along the great joy reid, chris hayes, lawrence o'donnell nicole wallace. very happy to be with you this evening. i'll be joined by many colleagues. over the course of tonight's coverage, we are all here together, not because this is some sort of weird cable news version of a all-star game or a pro bowl, but this is our primetime recap of the sprawling and sometimes shocking hearing today of the january 6th commission. today's hearing was led by two members of congress, stephanie murphy of florida and jamie raskin of maryland. congressman raskin will be our guest

and in a new documentary, an excerpt just released, we hear mr. trump say, he called the rioters smart. and so i think what the committee is going to try to argue is that at no point did he try to pull them back. at no point did he get advised that these tweets were happening and did he try to take action. >> you're talking about the day itself. even before that day, that was the discussion they were trying the lay out. before january 6th. i remember sitting with out a special report, lester. the question was where was president trump and what was he up to? >> let me to go the moderator of "meet the press," chuck todd, you've been listening in. what are your thoughts? >> with, i'm struck by a couple things. how thoroughly the committee has disqualified donald trump. if this were a case that were being made to the u.s. senate, and you're making, remember, impeachment is a political case. and i think they've made an strootly strong political case that the former president perhaps, they're painting a picture that he was a bit delusional. i would sort

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every day in the hearing -- in the series of hearings has built on it. this hearing laid the blame, the committee laid the blame on trump directly from white house insiders. brad parscale's a campaign insider. these are the people closest to him. and so what the committee has built is just a devastating case where trump loyalists over and over again are the ones who are saying trump was responsible and that as liz cheney said in the first hearing president trump summoned the mob, assembled the mob, and lit the flame. and that's certainly underscored that today. >> well, let me let andrew mccabe weigh in. did the committee, andrew, successfully make the case that the former president of the united states was actually giving directives to his followers and to these violent extremists? >> you know, as usual, wolf, we didn't see any explicitly clear direction from the president to the -- his connections in the white supremacist world, the oath keepers, the proud boys, that sort of thing. but what we did see was an absolutely premeditated, intentional effort

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give us the latest on the hearings. emily we are outside the hearing room where it is taking place.his one is focused on the ties between the white house and those within former president trump's orbit and far-right extremist groups, the proud boys and the oath keepers. we will hear from a former member of the oath keepers later. the committee is delving into former white house counsel pat cipollone. he testified for them. what the committee is doing is really drawing a distinct narrative that trump was being told by others close to him and in his inappropriate he had lost the election. that points to this crucial moment in the series of days in meetings where trump decided even though he was being told he lost he was going to push back anyway and continue pushing the story he had one. -- won. this goes to the larger point of these hearings showing that trump tried to overturn the 2020 election. we are expecting to hear more from pat cipollone and others who testified in the coming days. jon: just to build on that, now that you have been covering so many of these hearings, what is t

hears what will be clear by the end of this hearing. president trump did not fail to act during the 187 minutes between leaving the ellipse and telling the mom to go home. he chose not to act. there were hundreds that day who honored their odes and put their lives on the line to protect the people inside the capitol and to safeguard our democracy. many of them are here tonight with this. and many more are watching from home. as you already know, and will see again tonight, their service and sacrifice shines a bright light on president trump dishonor and dereliction of duty. yield to the vice chair. >> thank you very much, mr. kinzinger. i would like to begin by welcoming our witnesses this evening. tonight we are joined by mr. matthew pottinger. served on tours of duty in afghanistan and iraq. he served in the trump white house from the first day of the ministration through the early morning hours of january 7th, 2021. the last role in which he served in the white house was as deputy national security adviser to the president of the uni

but just hear me out.ey say the president called and declined the call, i have to tell you, like, your phone doesn't say donald trump potus on your phone. so, i'm not sure how they knew -- oh, the president called. i declined. >> here's the thing, they knew enough to call their lawyer when they got the call. >> here's the characterization i just heard. it's someone who was not used to deal being the president, not used to being in those circles. so, currently the president's assistant is molly meekals, right? so, you would get a phone call from either her phone number or a number you recognize. so, this is why i'm kind of questioning, how do you know it was the president? how do you know it was the president's assistant? how do you know it was coming from mar-a-lago? >> are you skeptical about something? you skeptical? >> i'm just saying. >> this is breaking news. olivia, though, on this point -- >> i don't know. i will say, when i heard that, my first reaction is, okay, he's worried. he's worried about th

the next hearing to be more robust, sometimes changes your schedule, it causes more hearings to happen. we know the next hearings are going to be in september. since all of the revelations about the secret service have come out, all of the port, the shock of it, has the committee begun to get information that might help to reconstruct some of what we are missing, some of what was deleted and lost? >> there is still a lot of questions to be answered, i would say that, you, know we need a full briefing, again, from the dhs inspector general to understand some new developments there, ask for a lot more technical data than we've received. we are at the beginning stages of unraveling this, trying to figure out the facts. these text messages, perhaps even other records that we need to see. >> represents to a laura, we have information from the secret service. in theory, the way this purge of emails was working was everyone was notified that in order to preserve the emails, the text, i'm, sorry tax on the phone. they don't need to take a affirmative action to preserve their own text on their

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>> do you watch the hearings? >> i don't comment on anything on january 6th. >> even in the no comment you get a little peek of revelation. it's not that he doesn't comment on anything. it's not that he has some policy. by the way, there are officials who have big jobs and say they don't do walk and talk officials. no, no, he actually made a mistake there. he doesn't comment on january 6th. something about that is too hot for him. let's get into it on this big night for america and the hearings. vi nick akerman and "new york times" editorial member mara gabe on set with us on the big night. welcome to you both. >> thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> we look at that two hours or 18. minutes, it matters to the public. it matters to the anyone who would want a president who defends the country. does any of it matter legally as the doj told us they're watching these hearings? >> of course it matters legally, because i think what he was doing -- they talk about his inaction, but his whole plan was inaction. he wante

revelations of these hearings. take a listen to another member of the gallery group here. >> there is video footage now from the security cameras, after i ducked into an elevator, it was just 30 seconds before there were rioters in that very hallway. so i don't think the american people truly understand how close we came, and the danger that we were under. not just to us personally for our own lives, but for our democracy. i hadn't realized until these hearings that the right continue until 4:30 in the afternoon. the truth is we weren't safe. >> those new hampshire -- that was and custer reacting to what we saw on thursday's hearing, with the committee showing this never before seen video and audio of security agents trying to get vice president pence out of the capitol to safety. telling their family members goodbye bit because they were inception feel of their lives. we saw a leadership calling for backup, more law enforcement, while hiding while the capital was being attacked. more witnesses are coming forward f

caller: two hearings ago. caller: are you talking about -- host: are you talking about the direction the secret service had with the president? caller: she said trump grabbed the wheel and the secret service came back and announced that statement of hers. i do not know when the secret service actually gain respectability to have anything to say. they do not have a very good track record, i don't think. host: you don't trust the denouncing of her testimony? caller: correct. when she explained why she testified, that was totally credible, the way she explained herself and why she testified, totally believable. host: the vice chair of the committee, liz cheney yesterday posed the question of should people trust former president trump given what they allege if he should win again in 2024. did you vote for president trump? caller: absolutely not. absolutely not. the polls were so full, i cannot vote for either person, ok? i cannot. i did not get in the polls in time. it did not happen for me. i did not have a posit

the hearings. when they look at the topic of all voters of those following the hearing, there is an approval of a from the period of july 28 of 2021. as far as the january 6 hearings are, the hill posted a story taking a look at things learned from watching the hearings. when watching the hearings, the first thing gay is that the president ignored the advice of his aides. the president spent weeks forecasting that if he suffered a loss, it could be due to fraud. he jumped into claim victory. the president's campaign manager told the president the night of the election. amongst other things learned from watching the hearings, some in his orbit, including his daughter accepted that there was no voter fraud. the president's daughter said she believed the conclusion that there was no widespread voter fraud -- she goes on to say during the hearing, i respect that what he was saying, that there was no widespread election fraud. there are other categories as well. with that in mind, from you, watching the

i can tell you one thing in advance of tomorrow's hearing. i can tell you for sure that the tattoo portion quotient among the witnesses is about to go way up. i don't want to speculate about any of these folks might have lurking under their collars. it is totally possible of course that rusty bowers has an amazing torso full of tattoos, who knows? perhaps judge michael luttig has similar jerry stifle sleeve tattoos lurking under his very sober suit. but in terms of visible tattoos, visible even in business where, and terms of fast tattoos, neck taxes, had tattoos hand tattoos, tomorrow will up the numbers in terms of what we've seen yet from live witnesses at the january 6th hearings. tomorrow's hearing we have been advised is gonna focus a least in part on the relationship between former president donald trump and the white house and the pro trump fascist paramilitary groups that spearheaded the violent breach of the u.s. capitol building on january 6th. one of the live witnesses tomorrow we are told is going to be a man in jason van caden h

but i want to hear this. a quote from an op-ed, by capitol police sergeant, -- in the new york times. he is one of the american heroes who risked their lives to defend the seat of our democracy. defining it from a mob of trump supporters who stormed the capitol. wounded sergeant gonell and many more of those officers. and tried to stop the certification of our free and fair elections. the title of this op-ed, i was betrayed by president trump. but this is what he writes. he said i believe he betrayed his oath to defend the constitution. and it was to the detriment of me. my colleagues. and all americans. whom he was supposed to protect. he is right. we were all betrayed. by donald trump. betrayed by a president who swore to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the united states. full stop. period. >> let's bring in now seen and then snoop little analysts, bengal henderson, and former senior investigator for the january 6th committee. john would. so good to have both of you on. good evening to you