i stand by heather's decision not to sign the plea bargain. the truth is when you sign it you're waiving your right to a jury trial. you can't sue the police department for false arrest or whatever the case may be. so heather did exactly what any good, conscientious person should do. she said, i didn't do this. i'm not going to sign this. i stand behind her on that. the idea that the prosecutor feels that oh, we could have all made it go away if you were willing to admit to something you feel you didn't do, it's a little bit of a travesty of justice and should concern all of us. >> we also have a statement from walmart we do need to get out there. walmart says this. when the incident involving ms. el ills occurred we asked local police to intervene. you'll have to direct any questions about the incident and resulting investigation to them. we also did that as well. boyce, somehow the ku klux klan has become involved. what is that about? >> well, effectively the kkk has threatened the family and told them if you raise too much of a stink then w

some customers say heather ellis was belligerent. police say she was given every opportunity to comply. she goes on trial. she is facing serious charges, two felony counts of assaulting an officer, disturbing the peace, punishment, possibly 15 years. this started with someone changing lines. we'll take your calls, 1-877-tell-hln is the number. joining me to talk about it, heather ellis' father, the reverend nathaniel ellis. and the protesters and eric richman. reverend ellis, let me start with you. can you believe we are at this point that your daughter could be facing 15 years for what started as a line switch at walmart? >> actually, if they have their way in this unjust system that is what she will get. >> have you processed the thought of that? that your daughter is facing this in a trial? >> certainly. that is why i am so vehemently against it and that is why we had the journey for justice on today to press our issue and force our outrage against the insidiousness of an overzealous prosecutor prosecuting a case of a young lady t

it sounds harsh but that's how the case against heather ellis is playing out. she jumped the line at wal-mart. that led to an argument. police were called in, say ellis assaulted them but she denies that and refuses to sign a plea agreemen agreement. >> we tried to resolve this thing early on. there was no indication of any desire to do so. >> ellis was charged with trespassing, disturbing the peace and two felony counts of assaulting an officer. the case has gotten national attention. now, joining us, the professor from syracuse university planning a rally later this month. what was your first reaction when you became aware of this story that heather was facing charges for something that stemmed from her cutting in line at wal-mart. what was your first reaction? >> i didn't believe it. i said, that's impossible. there's got to be more to it. tell me more about this young lady. my assistant's children, justice and journey were the ones that brought this to our attention and why we're calling it journey to justice out of respect for the kids. i did my research.

heather says the report is just plain wrong. she claims the white officers roughed her up while spewing racial slurs at her. the case has stirred up some pretty nasty racial tensions. >> this is a racist and bigoted town. racism and bigotry is thick in this city. there are skinheads here in this city. >> with all the hideous violent crime in this country, is this really the kind of case we need to spend our tax dollars on when there are a slew of unsolved murders and rapes that need solving and prosecuting? i want to welcome back cnn legal analyst lisa bloom. and curtis sliwa, founder of the guardian angels. there you go. we're also joined by boys watkins. bois, i understand you had a rally the other day. but there was a counterprotest. tell us about that. i understand it was pretty interesting, let's put it that way. >> yeah. there were some skinheads and some neo nazis there holding up flags with swastikas on them, confederate flags, et cetera. you know, i respect their right to freedom of speech. i wasn't upset about it. we h

locklear look-alike, no offense heather, it just kills me. when i think of people calling 911 that day -- and i'm not saying cops ignored those calls. i'm just saying there could have been more cops, more detectives on those cases while miss thing was propped up in a hotel room with a 25-year-old lover. >> yeah. there's no question about that. you know, when they were trying to synchronize their stories, he said to her, like i said, we have the whole day today. whenever you want, whenever you feel comfortable, i'll drop you off. okay? those, nancy, are not the words of any person that's ever kidnapped anybody in the history of the world. she is a willing participant and a co-conspirator in her own kidnapping, and she needs to be punished for this. and i almost think this is a kind of crime that deserves a penalty enhancement. because it does divert resources. it does create skepticism on the part of the public. and we really just can't stand for that as a society. and you know, law enforcement has very limited resources these days. they can't

let's visit with dan and heather. >> my name is dan. >> my name is heather and we need a money coach.ed saving for college for our son. and aren't sure if we're doing enough. we started with a 529 plan. and just put a little bit of money in there. and of course with the economy, the market going down, we lost money on that. and decided to lock into the florida prepaid tuition. we'll be paying on that for five years. but that only does cover tuition. >> we're hoping we're doing the right thing. but again with the way the economy going, we decided to with hold putting any money in the 529. dan and i both paid for our college with student loans and other things that sort of hinder our opportunities now. obviously we want to avoid that for him. our question is, what more can we do to save for our child's college education? >> wow, you got a lot of mouths to feed in that household. now another one on the way, three children that you're going to have to raise and pay for college for. but the thing is, do you know what? you paid for your own college. you said that set you back. but the truth

here by phone is heather palot. thanks for joining us. what was that like for you? you're looking out, you see all these police, all these emergency vehicles. were you scared? what was it like? >> caller: at first i was really scared, because i had no idea what was going on. i had just woken up and i opened the blinds and there was, you know, 50, 100 rescue teams and it was very scary when i did not know what was going on. when i found out later what was going on, i wasn't that scared. i was actually probably more protected than anybody else. i was surrounded by s.w.a.t. team and secret service. >> and you found out by watching tv, is that right? so you were watching it outside and watching it on the television at the same time? >> caller: yep. i opened the blinds and saw that there was all the policemen and i turned on the tv. as i was calling my boyfriend. and i was watching the live interviews that were being conducted five stories below me on tv. i was standing out on my balcony watching the live report on tv as well as the live broadcasts on the ground. >> and

she looks like heather locklear. she's absolutely beautiful. okay. to mark williams, anchor and reporter, also joining us out of the florida jurisdiction. mark, tell me the background. this guy is extraordinarily wealthy. they live there on the ponte vedra coast. why did she need money? she had money. she had his money. >> oh, she had -- she said she could go to the bank and get as much money as she needs. her husband, reid gray, is a health care executive, makes over $1 million a year. >> wait a minute. didn't he found the company? >> yes, he did. plus, they live in a $4 million home right along this exclusive seaside resort. she found this gentleman, this 26-year-old boy toy, as i call him, by the name of jasmin -- >> whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. did you say 26? >> he's 26. >> okay. go ahead. >> hey, i can't make any of this up, nancy. you know that. my credibility rides on everything. jasmin osmanovic. he and quinn gray cooked up this scheme to extort that $50,000. it was never delivered. obviously, there's audiotapes of them making love. >> t

you are looking at heather ellis, she's this woman.'s moving another customer's items off the conveyor belt. well, witnesses say she cut in line and she was swearing. ellis says customers, show though, shoved her and she switched lines to join her cousin. the manager says ellis brought race into the scuffle. >> she looked at me and she told me that i wasn't anything but a stupid, white quarterback uneducated walmart employee. and she called betsy an old gray-headed lady, the cashier. and that's when i said, wait just a minute. i said, you don't know me and i don't know you. >> so the video goes to show police arresting ellis. officers say she kicked them, she hit them. ellis says she was assaulted and police told her to quote/unquote go back to the ghetto. a jury will get the case today. >>> the pentagon could do a intensive interview in the case of the ft. hood shootings. it will look into military screening programs and security at u.s. bases nationwidewide. the army has also launched their own investigation. >>> we all pay taxes on

locklear look-alike, no offense heather, it just kills me. when i think of people calling 911 that day -- and i'm not saying cops ignored those calls. i'm just saying there could have been more cops, more detectives on those cases while miss thing was propped up in a hotel room with a 25-year-old lover. >> yeah. there's no question about that. you know, when they were trying to synchronize their stories, he said to her, like i said, we have the whole day today. whenever you want, whenever you feel comfortable, i'll drop you off. okay? those, nancy, are not the words of any person that's ever kidnapped anybody in the history of the world. she is a willing participant and a co-conspirator in her own kidnapping, and she needs to be punished for this. and i almost think this is a kind of crime that deserves a penalty enhancement. because it does divert resources. it does create skepticism on the part of the public. and we really just can't stand for that as a society. and you know, law enforcement has very limited resources these days. they can't

heath heather, thank you for joining us. you look out and see all this of this. >> i had no idea what was going on. i adjust woken up and i opened the blinds, and there was 50, 100 rescue teams and it was very scary when i did not know what was going on. when i found out later what was going on, i was not that scared. i was actually probably more protected than anybody else. i was surrounded by s.w.a.t. team and secret service. >> and you found out by watching tv? you were watching outside and watching the television? >> caller: i opened the blinds and saw all of the policemen and i turned on the tv and i was watching the live interviews that were being conducted five stories below me. i was standing on my balcony watching it all. >> did you know anyone who was there who was involved who worked there? >> caller: i didn't. i honest lly didn't know that company existed. there are a bunch of companies in that one building. i have never been in the building but i look at it every single day. >> so that's a story that hits right

she looks like heather locklear. she's absolutely beautiful. okay. to mark williams, anchor and reporter, also joining us out of the florida jurisdiction. mark, tell me the background. this guy is extraordinarily wealthy. they live there on the ponte vedra coast. why did she need money? she had money. she had his money. >> oh, she had -- she said she could go to the bank and get as much money as she needs. her husband, reid gray-s a health care executive, makes over a million dollars a year. >> wait a minute. didn't he found the company? >> yes, he did. plus, they live in a $4 million home right along this exclusive seaside resort. she found this gentleman, this 26-year-old boy toy, as i call him, by the name of jasmin -- >> whoa, whoa, did you say 26? >> 26. i can't make any of this up, as you know, nancy, my credibility rietds on this. jasmin osmanovic. he and quinn gray cooked up this scheme to extort that $50,000. it was never delivered. obviously, there's audiotapes of them making love. >> take a listen to quinn, the alleged kidnap victim, along

excuse me, heather, west virginia. hi, heather. >> caller: hi, nancy, how are you? >> good. what is your question. >> caller: it's good to talk to you. i was wondering, do you know if the mother has taken a polygraph to rule herself out as a suspect? >> excellent question. what do we know about polygraphs? >> police have not told us she has taken a polygraph. she was questioned all day yesterday and again, today. >> let's go to the expert. marc klaas joining us from san francisco founder of klaas kids foundation. see the button he's wearing. it's a picture of his daughter, pollee klaas. she was missing from her own home, kidnapped, assaulted and murdered. since then, klaas has been nothing but a advocate. the firs thing you did was please, take my dna, my hair, my fingerprints, i demand a polygraph. search my place, search my car, i insist. this mother hasn't taken a polygraph. what's going on. >> in 1993, dna was not a big tool so that never really played into it. we took the polygraph and i think they will give her a polygraph. i think they need to give her one be

locklear look-alike, no offense heather, it just kills me. when i think of people calling 911 that day -- and i'm not saying cops ignored those calls. i'm just saying there could have been more cops, more detectives on those cases while miss thing was propped up in a hotel room with a 25-year-old lover. >> yeah. there's no question about that. you know, when they were trying to synchronize their stories, he said to her, like i said, we have the whole day today. whenever you want, whenever you feel comfortable, i'll drop you off. okay? those, nancy, are not the words of any person that's ever kidnapped anybody in the history of the world. she is a willing participant and a co-conspirator in her own kidnapping, and she needs to be punished for this. and i almost think this is a kind of crime that deserves a penalty enhancement. because it does divert resources. it does create skepticism on the part of the public. and we really just can't stand for that as a society. and you know, law enforcement has very limited resources these days. they can't

i standby heather's decision. the truth is that when you sign this bargain, you're waving your right to a jury trial. you can't sue the police department for false arrests or whatever the case may be. so heather did exactly what any good conscientious person should do. she said i didn't do this, i'm not going to sign this. and i stand behind her on that. the idea that the prosecutor feels that, oh, we could've all made it go away if you're willing to admit to something you feel you didn't do. that's a bit of a travesty of justice and that should concern all of us. >> we also have a statement from walmart. walmart says this, when the incident occurred we asked local police to intervene, you'll have to direct any questions about the incident to them and we did that, as well. somehow the kkk has become involved. what is that about? >> well, effectively the kkk has threatened the family and told them if you raise too much of a stink, then we're going to respond. -- in a scary way. what's more frightening about this, t

i stand by heather's decision not to sign the plea bargain. the truth is when you sign it, you're waiving your right to the jury trial. you can't sue the police department for false arrest or whatever the case may be. so heather did exactly what any good, conscientious person should do. she said, i didn't do this. i'm not going to sign it. i stand behind her. the idea that the prosecutor feels we could have made it go away if you're willing to admit to something that you didn't feel you did, that's a travesty of justice and should concern us. >> we have a statement from walmart we need to get out of this. walmart says this -- we also did that as well. boyce, somehow the ku klux klan has become involved now. what is that about? >> well, effectively, the kkk has threatened the family and told them that if you raise too much of a stink, then we're going to respond in a scary way. and what's even more frightening about this -- which says a little bit about kennett, missouri, is that the threats were actually delivered by a police officer in unifor

heather ellis took the stand today in her own defense denying ani any misbehavior during this incident. they say that ellis cut in line at the store and refused to leave. this is newly released video showing ellis moving another customer's items off of the conveyer belt. the manager said ellis brought race into the scuffle. >> she look at me and told me i want anything but a stupid white uneducated walmart employee and she called betsy an old gray headed lady, the cashier. that's when i said just a minute. i said you don't know me. i don't know you. >> the video goes on to show police arresting ellis. officers say she kicked them and she hit them but ellis said she was assaulted but it's not shown on the tape. the jury could get the case as early as today. ellis is facing 15 years in prison if she's found guilty. >>> a man accused of secretly taking nude videos of espn commentator erin andrews will make his first court appearance in los angeles today. 47-year-old michael barrett shot the video of andrews through the people hole in her hotel room door facing one count of interstate stal

heather ellis' felony trial got underway yesterday. some customers shoved her and used racial slurs when she switched lines. almost three years ago this happened. when police were called, ellis claims an officer told her to go back to the ghetto and ear roughed her up. police say she was belligerent, kicked an officer and split another's lip. if convicted, ellis could face up to 15 years in prison. she was offered a plea deal two years ago but turned it down. >>> i'm jane ve llez-mitchell a here's my issue. prosecutors in missouri are wasting time and tax dollars prosecuting a schoolteacher because of what i think is a relatively minor incident at a walmart. an african-american woman joined her cousin in line at a walmart checkout. employees accused her of cutting in line. to put it simply, things spiralled out of control. she claims racism, cops claim she assaulted an officer. now she's facing 15 years in prison. i don't know what happened, i wasn't there, but i do know she didn't go in there to rob or murder anyone. there are so many

for them. >> my name is dan, my name is heather.nd we need a money coach. we started saving for college and we're not sure we're doing enough. we started with a 529 plan and just put a little bit of money in there, and of course with the economy, the market going down, we lost money on that and decided to into the florida prepaid tuition. we'll be paying on that for foou years. that only covers tuition. >> we hope we're doing the right thing but the way the economy is going we've decided to withhold putting any money in the 529. dan and i both paid for our college with student loans and other things that sort of hindered our opportunities now. obviously we want to avoid that for him. our question is, what more can we do to save for our child's college education? >> dan and heather, you've got a lot of mouths to feed. two kids, a third on the way. you do oennly what you can do. you two handled your own college. don't have a case of the guilts if you can't pay for your kids' school. your first responsibility is to pay for your own ret

witnesses say that heather ellis cut in line and was swearing.ut ellis says her cousin had saved her place. the manager says ellis brought race into the scuffle. >> she looked at me and told me that i wasn't anything but a stupid, white, uneducated walmart employee and she called betsy an old gray headed lady, the cashier and that's when i said, just a minute. i said, you don't know me and i don't know you. >> officers say she kicked and hit them. she says she was assaulted but it's not shown on the tape. the jury could get the case today. she faces 15 years in prison if found guilty. >> there are so many people out there that are tired of putting money in an envelope. it's so boring. this way this is a nice gift for the givers. >> the flowers in these cash bouquets might never wilt but they probably won't last that long either. that is new for you in about 20 minutes. fascinating idea. we're on that. >>> a new warning this morning that more foreclosures could be on the way. jennifer westhoven, who is joining us now, we heard the worst might be o

you can see heather ellis moving another customer's items off the conveyer belt.nesses say she cut in line and was swearing. ellis says the customer shoved her and used racial slurs when she switched lines to join her cousin. the manager says ellis brought race into the scuffle. >> she just looked at me and told me i wasn't anything but a stupid white, uneducated walmart employee and she called betsy an old gray-headed lady, the cashier. that's when i said, just a minute. i said, you don't know me and i don't know you. >> well shlgs the video goes on to show police arresting ellis. officers say that she kicked and hit them. ellis says she was assaulted and police told her to go back to the ghetto. a jury could get the case today. >>> the army now says that it will will give the media some access to sarah palin's visit at ft. bragg on monday. she'll be there promoting her new book. it previously said it wouldn't let crews in because the event might turn into political strandstanding against president obama. reporters won't be able to ask palin or supporters questio

and heather is a nurse.heather is temporarily out of work, because she is sick, and she writes this. my children are 10 and 7. i just told them, things are going to be different for a while, and we have to cut back on things like movies and eating out many let's get back to the phones. elizabeth is calling us from california. elizabeth, how are you handling things? >> caller: hi. i am a disabled mother of five. >> okay. >> >> caller: and they've always known that christmas is for family, to be together, and i would like them to know that just being with each other is the greatest to me. >> have things been tougher than usual in the past few months like they have been for a lot of people, or have you always been in a situation where you've tried to make them aware that money doesn't grow on trees? >> caller: they're aware of it. and they're understanding. except for the baby. she is 5. >> okay. >> but, you know, we make the best out a bad situation. and we just love each other. >> okay. elizabeth, thank you f

locklear look-alike, no offense heather, it just kills me. when i think of people calling 911 that day -- and i'm not saying cops ignored those calls. i'm just saying there could have been more cops, more detectives on those cases while miss thing was propped up in a hotel room with a 25-year-old lover. >> yeah. there's no question about that. you know, when they were trying to synchronize their stories, he said to her, like i said, we have the whole day today. whenever you want, whenever you feel comfortable, i'll drop you off. okay? those, nancy, are not the words of any person that's ever kidnapped anybody in the history of the world. she is a willing participant and a co-conspirator in her own kidnapping, and she needs to be punished for this. and i almost think this is a kind of crime that deserves a penalty enhancement. because it does divert resources. it does create skepticism on the part of the public. and we really just can't stand for that as a society. and you know, law enforcement has very limited resources these days. they can't

. >> i'm heather, i'm 18. >> i'm courtney, i'm 15. >> i'm shawn, i'm 26. >> i would love to have more children. after leviticus, we haven't had more. but we surely would embrace more if god would send them. >> most of us are familiar with the octomom, jon and kate, and the duggars. it seems like every time i turn around, parents with lots of kids are mault multiplying -- i'm not sure rabbits could keep up. the woman you just saw is part of a fast-growing christian movement called quiverfull. she and others believe that family planning should be left in god's hands. here with me now are rachel scott, a mother of eight. and kathryn joyce, author of birthing god's mighty warriors. and kathryn joyce, author of "quiverfull: inside the christian patriarchy movement," and vyckie garrison, a mother of seven and quiverfull dropout. a lot of people don't even know what quiverful is. since you wrote about it, why don't you tell us what it is? >> it's a movement of largely contraceptive christians, largely home-schooling evangelicals who believe that all or most forms of contraception are wrong.

she looks like heather locklear. she's absolutely beautiful. okay.er, also joining us out of the florida jurisdiction. mark, tell me the background. this guy is extraordinarily wealthy. they live there on the ponte vedra coast. why did she need money? she had money. she had his money. >> oh, she had -- she said she could go to the bank and get as much money as she needs. her husband, reid gray, is a health care executive, makes over $1 million a year. >> wait a minute. didn't he found the company? >> yes, he did. plus, they live in a $4 million home right along this exclusive seaside resort. she found this gentleman, this 26-year-old boy toy, as i call him, by the name of jasmin -- >> whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. did you say 26? >> he's 26. >> okay. go ahead. >> hey, i can't make any of this up, nancy, you know that. my credibility rides on everything. jasmin osmanovic. he and quinn gray cooked up this scheme to extort that $50,000. it was never delivered. obviously, there's audiotapes of them making love. >> take a listen to quinn, the alleged k

excuse me, heather, west virginia. hi, heather. >> caller: hi, nancy, how are you?on? >> caller: it's good to talk to you. i admire you so much. >> likewise. thank you for calling. >> caller: i was just wondering, do you know if the mother has willingly taken a polygraph yet to rule herself out as a suspect? >> excellent question. what do we know about polygraphs? >> police have not told us she has taken a polygraph. all they have said so far, nancy, is that she's been questioned, she was questioned all day yesterday and again today. >> let's go to the expert. marc klaas joining us from san francisco founder of klaas kids foundation. see that button he's wearing on his left lapel? that's a picture of his daughter, pollee klaas. she was missing from her own home, kidnapped, assaulted and murdered. since then, klaas has been nothing but a victim's rights advocate. as i recall, marc klaas, when polly went missing with the the first thing you did was, please, take my dna, my hair, my fingerprints, i demand a polygraph. whatever you want. search my place, search my car,

we're hearing from heather tether and look, there's important reform that neither of these two big partiesommitted to. that's the narrative they've got. they've written the scripts. they are at agencies preparing the customers and writing the leafets. the speeches are already written. the question is which real events break that up -- if we'd been talking a year ago, lehman brothers has only just gone down. the afghan war was not regarded as a very contentious. it was regarded is a important subject among the politics in this loom a huge amount can change before a general election. events that are unpredictable and also the way in which the public responds, i think because there is a danger frankly of people saying the same thing for six months as they try to get heard the public will force their way through. they will demand that things that matter to them are paid attention to and politician address their concerns. >> are we factoring in, you know, the one big constant in these things after a government has been in power for such a long time if people simply want a change, you can try to

. >> i'm heather from we t.v. wedding central and we volunteer.eat session so far and great information both on the content as well as distributor side. what's next for christ? whether you're getting married or something like that. not that i'm interesting or whatever? what's next for face book in particular. talk about face book connect and face book the new technologies that are coming out? you mentioned how things changing two years ago from where they are today. what are those up-and-coming friends we can look at from a programmers perspective. >> i'm in a serious relationship. no marriage plans of now. for me, personally i'm working on a few different things. i'm working with a venture capital firm in boston to help analyze all the different start ups that are coming out of the woodwork right now. what they're doing. the ones that are most promising and interesting and one of them i'm most interested. i wouldn't be surprised if i start a new company soon. and in addition to that, i'm very, very interested in the global poverty and health spac

soldier, a reservist and her name is heather and she becomes in charge of the biggest initiative to bringmericans version of with and rights to the middle east. the other woman is a costly and taste palestinian american and working for women international to help out by iraqi women build a grass-roots effort. >>host: you follow these throughout-- for women three-year stay on the ground. >> may 2003 through 2005. >>host: what changes did you see? >>guest: tremendous change. one country that was thrilled of the thoughts of the u.s. overthrowing the sadam hussain, the potential to rebuild the country and give iraq a new lease, to a realization that they did not know what they're doing and was not prepared for the problems that it faced. and the country was spinning out of control. it was a safe place in the beginning but became extremely dangerous by the end. >>host: these women come from different backgrounds. how did they see a change in the way they were treated? >>guest: they had freedoms under sadam hussain and they lost with the war. there was securities and they were under house arres

let's visit with dan and heather. >> my name is dan. >> my name is heather. money coach. >> we started saving for a college fund and aren't sure if we're doing enough. we started with a 529 plan and just put a little bit of money in there. with the economy and the market going down we lost money on that and started to lock into the prepaid tuition, we're going to be paying on that for five years. >> we lopehoping we're doing the right thing. we decided to pay for our college with student loans that has hindered our opportunities now. but what more can we do to save for our child's college education? >> you have a lot of mouths to feed in that household. three children that you're going to have to raise and pay for college for. but the thing is, do you know what? you paid for your own college. you said that set you back. but the truth is, there are so many ways to pay for college. but you know what? there's only one way to pay for your retirement. love your children, you want the best for them. but the key thing your primary focus and goal should be to beef up

. >> i'm heather, i'm 18. >> i'm courtney, i'm 15. >> i'm shawn, i'm 26. >> i would love to have morehildren. after leviticus, we haven't had more. >> most of us are familiar with the octomom, jon and kate, and the duggars. the woman you just saw is part of a fast growing christian movement called quiverfull. here with me is kathryn joyce, author of "quiverfull: inside the christian patriarchy movement," rachel scott, mother of eight and author of "birthing god's mighty warriors." tell us what quiverfull is. >> it's a movement of largely conservative kris yans who believe that all or most forms of contraception are wrong. christian families should leave their birth control in the hands of god. some different booksly leaders of the movement have pointed out for a collateral benefit of having many children within the conservative christian movement. they follow psalm 127. that's where they get the name quiverfull from. they follow strict definitions with submissive wives and headship of the husbands. >> rachel, you're a quiverfull person. are you a submissive wife? >> i believe we have

heather ellis could be sentenced to up to 15 years behind bars if she's found guilty of assaulting policeshe cut in front of customers waiting to check out and became dlij re belligerent when confronted about it. ellis says she was pushed by a white customer hassled by store employees and called racial slurs and physically mistreated by police officers. police say ellis is the one who got violent. >>> the shuttle "atlantis" astronauts using their first full day in orbit doing inspections. they plan to check the shuttle's thermal shielding to see if it was damaged in yesterday's launch. nasa officials say it doesn't appear there's anything to worry about at this point. but today's survey should give them more conclusive answers. "atlantis" and its crew of six will hook up with the international space station tomorrow. >>> you may be passing 20s and not know it. the secret service is see ago spike in counterfeiting which means innocent people are getting duped. >> here i'm thinking, don't call the law on me, i've never done anything to get put in jail. >> agents say the recession may be a f

. >> i'm heather, i'm 18. >> i'm courtney, i'm 15. >> i'm shawn, i'm 26. >> i would love to have more children. after leviticus, we haven't had more. >> most of us are familiar with the octomom, jon and kate, and the duggars. the woman you just saw is part of a fast growing christiane movement called quiverfull. here with me is kathryn joyce, author of "quiverfull: inside the christian patriarchy movement," rachel scott, mother of eight and author of "birthing god's mighty warriors." tell us what quiverfull is. >> it's a movement of largely conservative kris yans who believe that all or most forms of contraception are wrong. christian families should leave their birth control in the hands of god. some different booksly leaders of the movement have pointed out for a collateral benefit of having many children within the conservative christian movement. they follow psalm 127. that's where they get the name quiverfull from. they follow strict definitions with submissive wives and headship of the husbands. >> rachel, you're a quiverfull person. are you a submissive wife? >> i believe we ha

now we're at the place where this person, heather ellis, could be facing 15 years in prison for what happened after that. >> right. >> because you and i were just talki ining about this story. after she changes lines we have two completely different stories as to what happened. she says that she was harassed by store employees, that it became racial. racial slurs thrown at her. she's not backing down. that's why she didn't settle. there are police accounts and witness accounts that say she was belligerent and she attacked cops. we'll pick it up from there. take your calls. 1-877-hln. sarah pail within a big interview with oprah winfrey. >> they're not watching it now. they're watching us. you're recording it on your dvr right now. >> after you watch it, does it change your mind about former governor palin or not? we're hearing different things. so far i'm haefri inhearing pre that she's doing well with oprah. gives her a chance to exhale and be herself for lack of a better term, with oprah. give us your thoughts. call, e-mail or text us at hlntv. coling yoe i coming your way in 12 mi

. >>> heather says i think whatever states have a no talk on cell law should have automatically added no texting. obviously, texting is more dangerous while drive. i live in connecticut. ween can't talk, but i believe 12i text. which seems really dumb. honestly, i do both. i know it's bad, i know. should people get jailtime for it? no. jeff says, if they can prove texting caused an accident or if you are speeding and texting, then, yes, jailtime might be appropriate. any other situation, a $150 fine should be a wake-up call. we're going it keep talking about this. we want to know, what do you think? new york is the latest state to crack down on texting while drive. how should you enforce that? $150 fine? do you think that's enough? or should we be sending people to jail for this? that's what they're doing. and in britain. call us, 1-877-call hln or e-mail. e-mail us at cnn.com/hln. text, text the words views plus your comments and name to hlntv. i'm sure that goes to that saying if you're listening on the satellite radio, do not text while driving. all right? standard text rates apply