and heather conley, director and senior fellow of the europe program at the center for strategic and international studies. richard adams, that's the question. how did this start as a media scandal and how did it become a government scandal? >> well, the linkage between the two is in the person of andy coleson who was the editor of the "news of the world" when some of the event it is, the phone hacking, took place. and the fact that he was hired by the man who had been leader of the opposition and is now the prime minister, david cameron, the person, of course, linked the two. british politicians have always had close links with media magnates and rupert murdoch is no stranger to number 10, that's true. but coleson... >> ifill: number 10 downing street. >> number 10 downing street, my apologies. but the hiring of coleson took things a step further and cameron's links with rupert murdoch, with news corporation, with news international were probably... formal and informal links were very strong. >> pelley: you just saw david miliband leading the question of the prime minister. what is