different iterations of serious fire over time and went to a zone strategy in 2005 under chief heather fong with the deputy chief and john murphy and that was the low year matched last year in san francisco where we had 45 homicides. i am happy to look at that again. >> so from what i am hearing there is a ground swell of support growing for desire to see the model that is implemented in boston serious fire here in san francisco. >> we do have serious fire meetings biweekly ongoing. >> i understand but it takes on a different -- it's not quite based after the boston model. it's not as strong as the model that i am referring to. >> i can talk to -- the boston model is pairing probation and police officers in the evening hours to do probation -- knock and talks at residences and we do that to some degree but there's not a lot of adult probation officers that work in the evening hours. i am happy to talk with you supervisor and get you to where you want to go. >> i am happy to having that conversation and i want to go back to recruitment and not just that but retention and the next step is pro

>> well, we just started but when they had the program before heather fong was a cadet and chief ruse and lawson was a cadet and many went from the program into the police department and we are hopeful it repeats itself. >> okay thanks. >> supervisor wiener. >> thank you very much mr. chairman and thank you for calling this hearing. i think it's important as we talk about this issue to talk not just about the numbers but about the actual real life impacts, and just like in the last item with our non-profits it's not just about the numbers or percentages. it's about the real life impacts that our non-profits partners have positively in the community and the impacts that we see when they're under funded and similarly here when the police department is under funded and i think -- or under staffed i should say in particular and under staffed it is an under estimate. when you look at what the impacts are to the point if there's a major event whether a protest or other major event in the city which happened and is part of what san francisco is there's time when is it's hard even to get poli