heather higgins is this a good or bad bill, plan b? >> it is the best that boehner can do in an awful situation that he's in, and he's in an awful situation for a variety of reasons. not least of which is poor messaging on the growth message. the average citizen just thinks this is about keeping tax rates low for rich people, and that republicans don't care about the middle class. they don't understand that tax increases are really bad for growth, and what this whole debate ought to be about in terms of entitlement reform and keeping taxes low is growing the economy, because that's how you actually get out of this pickle. >> i want keith to chime in on this message. let me ask you this. has john boehner and the rest of them, cantor, eric cantor, haven't heard much of him throughout this whole thing. paw ryan, paul ryan budget mfte out yesterday saying he's in favor of plan b. all of them together after the election whipping, is the republican party still looked at as the party of economic growth? the message you outlined with which i b

[laughter] >> i saw heather higgins raise her hand so why don't we get a microphone to her. >> thanks very much. when you talk about the doubt that is being suppressed by courage and a belief, and you have now come out of the political closet what are the doubts you find or the most fertile ground for you when you're talking with your colleagues trying to persuade them to have the same epiphany that you have had. what are the arguments? denied the arguments about what? >> when you are trying to explain your political transition and the understanding that you now have the you didn't used to house, where is the greatest doubt that you have the greatest success in trying to persuade others to see the world as you now see it? >> i can't persuade anybody. i don't have that power. i certainly wouldn't attempt in the play and the only people i talked to are conservatives. you are lost. you are in the wrong room. i don't try to persuade anybody. i tell you what. i met my first conservative, friend of a friend and i never at a conservative in my life to read on was impressed by him because he