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judiciary committee hearing on policing practices, conservative author and political commentator heather macdonaldaimed that racial bias in police shootings of african-american men is overstated. i want you to watch closely the reaction of the man sitting next to macdonald. his name is phillip atiba goff. >> also told we're living through an epidemic of racially biased the police shootings of black men. this too is false. a study published this august in the proceedings of the national academy of sciences is just the latest research undercutting the media narrative about race and police shootings. >> joining me now, phillip atiba goff, the man whose reaction in that hearing went viral. he's the co-founder and president of the center for policing equity. also joining, minneapolis police chief medaria arradondo. welcome to you both. phillip, i have to start with you because first of all, you now have become a meme. your reaction is what we were all thinking of. what do you mean you think this is fake and all some sort of ploy? what were you thinking? >> we were in front of the senate judiciary commi

it's written by heather macdonald, who's with the manhattan institute, and the headline on it is, "theenn law school mob scores a victory." and just let me read the first paragraph. "the campus mob at the university of pennsylvania law school has scored a hit. professor amy wax will no longer be allowed to teach required first year courses, the school's dean announced last week." i'll stop there. what's that about? wax: well, there's a -- there's a whole saga that leads up to it. i could try to give you the short form. i still haven't figured it all out entirely because i think it ties into some broader themes of what's happening to our society, generally, and to the university sector, in particular, but i think it all began back last august 9, when i co-published -- little innocuous, i'll bet, in "the enquirer," the "philadelphia enquirer" or so, i regarded it, called "paying the price for the breakdown of a country's bourgeois values." and in it, my co-author, larry alexander and i talked about this bourgeois script that i had mentioned to you, some basic precepts of behavior and how

you heard what heather macdonald had to say.ople off the streets and many cases get these gang members to stay there longer, right? >> yes. i agree with that woman's statement. i mean it incap slates everything right there. take the handcuffs off the police and put them on the bad guys. >> martha: she said it's easier to figure out who are going to be involved in these shootings, the victims and the shooters than it is trying to track down these awful people doing these mass shootings. do you agree with that? what does that mean? recommendation i mean, the city paid yale university to do a study. and in inglewood they said 9% of that community is 600 times more likely to be the victim of or the shooter in a violent crime when you stop this think about this outcome guys to trained me. the first body i see you look and say this is horrible. the guy said this was yesterday's shooter and today's shooter is tomorrow's victim. the city had a policy where they would go out and interview and talk to these people we identify as gang lead

heather macdonald is standing by with some perspective on that, but first the 7:00 p.m. update on dorian from the national hurricane center, watch this. >> good evening, this is the 7:00 p.m. update on hurricane dorian. dorian continues to pummel the northwestern bahamas. you see the center of the hurricane located very close to grand bahama island. the eye wall has been over the island for at least 6-12 hours and creating massive destruction there. we are sure from the videos that we seen there has been loss of life farther east where the hurricane crossed yesterday. in terms of looking ahead, while the hurricane is stationary now, we think that by tomorrow morning, motion towards west or northwest will begin. there is the florida east coast and up through the carolinas. the track is likely to be parallel to the coast, but just off shore, perhaps offshore. if that's the case, then we will have probable storm conditions after almost the entire southeastern united states in the next 2-3 days. if the track of the hurricane deviates a little bit off to the left, to the west

heather macdonald is the thomas w. smith fellow at the manhattan institute for policy research. she's written numerous books on the criminal justice system and previously clerked for judge steven rhine heart on the u.s. court of appeals to the ninth circuit. she received her b.a. from yale university, m.a. from claire college and j.d. from stanford university law school. phillip atiba goff is the co-founder and president for policing equities. he serves as professor of police equity at john j. college of criminal justice. he's written extensively on policing issues. he received his a.b. from harvard and m.a. and ph.d. from stanford. finally, linda garcia, is the policing campaign director at the leadership conference on civil and human rights. before joining the leadership conference, ms. garcia served as a trial attorney in the special litigation section of the civil rights division of the department of justice. she also served as a law clerk to judge john gleason in the eastern district of new york. ms. clark received her b.a. from hunter college and j.d. from fordham law scho