joining us, manhattan institute fellow, heather mcdonald. great to have you with us. >> thank you, lou. lou: your judgment as a matter of policy. what do you think is the appropriate way for publicon policy on the issue of illegal immigration?>> >> i would like to move ourm immigration system toward the skill face qualifications that i you come and not because you have a family member alreadybu here but because you have skills of the american economy needs and the language. with regard to legal immigration, think the rule ofn law is remaining the best way oe making sure that people don't come into the country illegally. the risk of an amnesty that is basically all that we are talking about unfortunately is amnesty. every amnesty in the past weather in europe or in then united states has had the effect of attracting more people in the country illegally in the hopes of a future amnesty. lou: years ago i started talking about a rational, humane immigration policy that would take intocy account all of the concerns about displacement of those who

heather childers with the latest on the school shootings in newtown, connecticut. >> we are back with a special live edition of huckabee. we'll show you grace mcdonald.ly issued a statement. we are overwhelmed with the outletpowering and love and support for so many people. our grace was the love and light of our family. words cannot adequately express our sense of loss. darryl scott's daughter rachel was one of the 13 victims of the bine boin victims in april 20th, 1999. >> darryl, i appreciate you being here. it causes you to relive painful moments 13 years ago. i want to begin bying what that moment was like when you realized that rachel, your daughter was one of the victims in the columbine shooting? i think the first thing that happens, you experience such a shock and there is it a certain amount of disbelief. i kept expecting her to walk through the door and expecting to see her and it took a while for it to hit dead center that she was gone. that happens a lot with parents who don't expect to lose your child. you never expect it to happen. it was a nightmare. nyou know, the toughest thing to what to say to the parents. if you be in their homes