. >> the program's director heather mcneil has known archer for years. >> cindy archer i've known sincet started. she's been in and out. she was in here with her mother in '91. we're almost working together, which is kind of scary. >> can we have a cigarette together? >> no, we cannot. >> oh, please. i'm kidding. i'm kidding. >> it's not worth it. >> i know that. i know. >> take your shovel. i'll get these. >> she has been in and out for so long that this is kind of like home, unfortunately. she feels probably safer in here than she does on the street. >> i'm almost happy to be doing something like normal, you know? >> daniel esdale is also hoping for a bit more freedom. he has five weeks left to serve on his two-year sentence for possession of a firearm. as unlikely as it is, he's still holding out hope that he can serve that time in general population. >> it's still a possibility just like this big. i might. i doubt it. >> esdale is currently back in segregation after refusing to perform his job in the jailhouse infirmary. >> open 4, please. >> but he sees it as one small slipup after