the big company hires heather podesta who's a big time lobbyist, a big time fund raiser for democrats who was married at the time to another big washington democratic fixer named tony podesta, who used to be president of the liberal organization people for the american way. through their connections these two have become the king and queen of influence peddling. lo and behold, some months after the industry hires heather podesta, epa reverses itself and the company gets an exemption and is allowed to pollute the aquifer. to hell with the public health. this is routine, isn't it? >> and it's exactly what you're talking about with the pay to play. so it's, in this case you have companies that have the money and the resources to hire the lobbyists or the lawyers who will go to battle for their clients endlessly. i mean, those of us who are working on the other side in the public interest realize that when we have our wins which we get industry is going to be there and they're going to keep going and fighting because they have those endless resources to keep battling back. it's the questi