is, heatheralso been discussions within the irs about when to reveal this information to congress? >> certainly. >> certainly -- obviously, these discussions included the treasury. >> no. >> how did they find out about it? cannot answer the question and make the record straight? >> and think you're giving me an answer. i want to move on to another topic. your letter ascribed the e-mails is being unrecoverable. -- >> correct. i'm advised the actual hard drive after it determined it was was recycled and destroyed in the normal process. >> was a physically destroyed? was it melted down? >> i have no idea what the recycler does with it. this is three years ago. >> is a irs have systems for tracking items? >> we have tracked items. i'm sure we track some items. >> does someone there have a serial number for that hard drive? >> i don't know if they do or do not. case, 1 hard drive fails, e-mails cannot be reconstructed heard it is turned over to recyclers. >> if it was recycled, the government property would have been tracked. i assume there is a tracking system for the disposal of gover