it's a small state hecht can find a connection with the voters there. he needs the money to get there. it looks like right now with the poll numbers how does he get from here to there? >> bret: juan? >> i think his campaign is not sputtering, it's stalled. i looks to me it's done for moment. you get a lot of attention as you were saying from people who think oh, well, he is running to the middle and he is going to challenge romney there has been no evidence that money, fundraising has been sufficient to sustain any kind of effort now to make him a challenger, a international challenger to romney. the other person who is a challenger to mitt romney is tim pawlenty. tim pawlenty needs to do well in iowa when he is on the stage debating with you as a moderator and he needs in that context to defeat michele bachmann to make it clear that he is the lead challenger. not michele bachmann. he can win. the conservative, right wing votes in iowa. he is pulling ads off the air right now in iowa to invest in ground, you know, operations. it just doesn't look good f