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hed hads down to tampa. >> some speeches may be shortened a bit. back to you folks. >> thank you very much, steve .s we hear the 607 train pull nothing tampa. >> is there a train out here. >> couldn't you hear the train. it is so dark here and we haven't gotten a lay of the land. >> steve: we are here in the tampa bay history center. 500 feet from where we are, right through the darkness is tampa bay times forum and where the rnc will convene later today for a minute and recess until tomorrow . what they will do. rn c will reveal a gigantic debt clock. we have one in new york city . there you can see is the debt clock in the rnc. reminding people we have a problem here in the country. >> gretchen: i believe when prebuous hits the gavele down it will start. >> brian: republicans are responsible for that, too. a lot of people saying what is it like being behind the scenes >> chris: yeah, fantastic. >> brian: look at where we are so far. this is where we are keeping isaac where the hurricane is. and the reason why we are not outside. get back here, chris. you are losingation. this is what it is behind